Today's shooting in America thread

FogBlueInSanFran said:
Slavery was embedded in the culture. Women not being allowed to vote was embedded in the culture. Gay people not being allowed to marry was embedded in the culture. Smoking nearly anywhere was embedded in the culture. Driving without a seatbelt if you wanted was embedded in the culture.

Do you really believe regular people who own guns are going to give up ALL the positives of living a free life and go to war against the state because they have to turn in an A15 or whatever? I’d bet a pretty good number of people who own guns are fucking cosplay cowards to begin with — you really think they have the moxie to fight? At least slave owners had an ENORMOUS economic reason to fight change.

I’m getting tired of these “we can’t because . . .” arguments (I know you aren’t necessarily arguing that). I know them already. They aren’t arguments about what’s right — they’re arguments about why we can’t do what’s right. How about let’s start with what’s right, then figure out how to pressure decision-makers into doing it.
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The problem is that the minority of loons with A/Rs (ARses?!) dont want to give them up.
This minority run the good old US of A, and because they have all the serious weapons they CAN!
Their attitude is probably, "Ok, you want my guns, come and get 'em you mofo!"
The attitude towards change needs to be stronger and the voices need to be louder.
Which politician is brave enough to take these A/Rses on?
Children, youth, the future of the country are being slaughtered and all these mealy mouthed, ass covering cowards can come up with is, "You're in our thoughts and prayers".
A damned disgrace!!
 
TFC said:
I live here, and I agree with this. The sad thing is, when I'm saying the same thing on here in my 60's, how many more mass shootings will have been? How many more innocent kids gunned down? Its painful to watch.
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A lot.
And still nothing will change. Gun ownership will still be rife in America.
I really feel for those families in Texas. And those kids who never got to live their lives.
 
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Grassland Blue said:
The problem is that the minority of loons with A/Rs (ARses?!) dont want to give them up.
This minority run the good old US of A, and because they have all the serious weapons they CAN!
Their attitude is probably, "Ok, you want my guns, come and get 'em you mofo!"
The attitude towards change needs to be stronger and the voices need to be louder.
Which politician is brave enough to take these A/Rses on?
Children, youth, the future of the country are being slaughtered and all these mealy mouthed, ass covering cowards can come up with is, "You're in our thoughts and prayers".
A damned disgrace!!
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This isn't a criticism, but why is that a problem? Plenty of people own plenty of things they don't want to give up. Plenty of people have "attitudes". Beto obviously is brave enough, as an example.

Law-abiding gunowners have -- for decades -- been telling us they are no threat because they abide by the laws. OK. Now the laws change. ATWs are banned, theoretically (leave aside the definition for a minute). Law-abiding people abide by the laws. Unless the law-abiding gunowners are lying about being law followers. That couldn't be. Could it?

"But wait", they say. "I refuse to abide by this new law because it's a violation of my rights. See the 2A." But 2A doesn't allow you to own all weapons unrestricted, so that argument doesn't work either (see Heller).

I don't see "the problem". The attitude IS getting stronger. The voices ARE getting louder. Let's not start off with the view that "the problem is . . ." and that "nothing will ever change . . ." -- especially those of us who, like I assume you, agree that change needs to happen.
 
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TFC said:
I live here, and I agree with this. The sad thing is, when I'm saying the same thing on here in my 60's, how many more mass shootings will have been? How many more innocent kids gunned down? Its painful to watch.
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So, the thing is not about stopping the 'inalienable right' of owning the gun. They can have it, but they should be liable to progressive inflation, like everything else.

Some people have to choose between health and rent, food or health, rent or work.

Or I like the idea that putting heavy taxation on every bullet for not showing you are trained and have the right psych eval puts paid to the indiscriminate possession of such lethal weapons. Once you pass the tests, you should be tested every 2-3 years and your licence fee adjust lower for not murdering anyone in a given year! I jest, of course.

But America should adopt the mantra it has for healthcare, where although it should be "Healthcare is a Human Right", it's rather the "ability to access" that is the truth.

Have it if you can afford it and "qualify". That doesn't mean the standard for "qualification" is easy.

All your US "rights" still available.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
This isn't a criticism, but why is that a problem? Plenty of people own plenty of things they don't want to give up. Plenty of people have "attitudes". Beto obviously is brave enough, as an example.

Law-abiding gunowners have -- for decades -- telling us they are no threat because they abide by the laws. OK. Now the laws change. ATWs are banned, theoretically (leave aside the definition for a minute). Law-abiding people abide by the laws. Unless the law-abiding gunowners are lying about being law followers. That couldn't be. Could it?

"But wait", they say. "I refuse to abide by this new law because it's a violation of my rights. See the 2A." But 2A doesn't allow you to own all weapons unrestricted, so that argument doesn't work either (see Heller).

I don't see "the problem". The attitude IS getting stronger. The voices ARE getting louder. Let's not start off with the view that "the problem is . . ." and that "nothing will ever change . . ." -- especially those of us who, like I assume you, agree that change needs to happen.
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Loosely equivalent to all those 'law abiding' motorists in the UK who whine like stuck pigs when they get caught speeding.
 
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