Today's shooting in America thread

[bumbleblue]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/15/nra...dering-poisoning-us-democracy-commentary.html

Really interesting read thanks. The plot inevitably thickens. I was bemused by the campaign funds donated by a group as apparently small as the NRA and wondered where the money came from.

 

[aguero93:20]

No, you can't. You would then have to accept that the citizens of Mexico are also shit for brains by putting up
with their government, that sees the majority of their population in poverty, with a fair number of them desperately
trying to enter the hellhole to the north. As you could with virtually every country in Africa, the vast majority of the middle east,
and a fair chunk of the rest of the world.

Nah, the yanks have shit for brains, the mehicans are just lazy fuckers.

 

[Ban-jani]

The points about killing kids over profit are valid though.

I have seen stuff reported where some R/W NRA nutjobs claim the Sandy Hook massacre was an Obama inspired false flag attack to get at the 2nd amendment ffs - sorry mate but it is one sick country in my view.

“Some” is the key word, how many are conspiracy theorists who think that?

How would you feel if Americans judged us all on the far right in our country?

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Is that actually true? Have you any sources that i could look at for that?

Just boring old dues and "contributions". I'd need to read the financials to see how much detail they disclose about specific sources. I'd bet precious little.

They also have a $173M investment portfolio as of the end of 16, which I bet was up big time in 17.

http://www.guns.com/2017/05/05/nra-revenue-expenses-in-2016/

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

“Some” is the key word, how many are conspiracy theorists who think that?

How would you feel if Americans judged us all on the far right in our country?

Come on now, we'd never do that.

We judge all Euro-types by the far left in their countries :)

 

[MellowJoe]

 

[malg]

Of course.

But Trump is in a position to change it and he chooses not to (because he is being supported by his friends in the NRA, big Pharma, etc).

That makes him guilty. And America guilty.

I take it Obama was to blame for every mass shooting on his watch as well?

 

[JPBB]

I take it Obama was to blame for every mass shooting on his watch as well?

No. Obama tried to change the law. Trump refuses to.

There is a difference

On the positive side Trump did offer thoughts and prayers so that it is all ok

 

[malg]

No. Obama tried to change the law. Trump refuses to.

There is a difference

Yep, that's what I thought you'd say.

 

[Ban-jani]

I am so sorry that you are embarrassed. However, I think you need to get over your embarrassment and hold America to account for the awful crimes that are being committed there.

Not sure I agree with you that I hate America, I spend much time spending time with my family in Cincinnati (I know) and have a really good time. If you can do that, you don't hate America.

Hate is when a boy on the autistic spectrum, drugged up on prescription antipsychotic drugs, walks into a gun shop and legally buys a gun and shoots up a school, hate is when a country expels people who have been in America for years because they come from "shithole" countries, hate is when you objectify and humiliated women, hate is when you demonise muslims, hate when you support a child rapist running for office, hate is when there is a huge under class which society has given up on, hate is when you remove healthcare from the poorest.... you see where I am going with this?

As for Trump's America being great. Fucking hell. The only people who think that are NRA supporting, alt-right lunatics. Trump's America is not great. It is corrupt to a level never seen before. It makes Zimbabwe look like a paragon of governance. The whole America first thing means corporate corruption first. Profits above people. (Ok to kill kids as long as you are making a profit). Profits above ecology. (Destroy the planet but make profits). Profits above humanity. (keep the oil and profits flowing in the middle east).. you get the jist?

America is not a great county. It was once. And maybe will again. But today it is lost. A stain on humanity. A stain on the world.

The only people who can change this is the American people. And until they do, I will continue to criticise them. Sorry if you think it is embarrassing.

I’m not embarrassed, your post is embarrassing for you. You quite clearly hate the country but I get it, you’re a lefty and that’s cool to hate the West.

I’m against the right to bear arms, the laws need changing immediately but to call the United States a stain on humanity is absolutely ridiculous.

Can you give me examples of people who are being expelled purely because they come from shithole countries? Or have you just made that up? Trump (again a man I very much disagree with) said the term “why are we letting people in from shithole countries?” - that isn’t expelling them.

America is and always will be a great country, you’ve twisted me saying that to insinuate I meant “Trump’s America”, as in I’m supporting him, you’re very wrong again.

How you can look around the world, and pick the United States as being the stain on the World is baffling and deluded.

Yes America is capitalist and yes some organisations and individuals abuse the free market, yes the current president is a hack and yes there are far right sympathies in the sections of the country, but name me a country that hasn’t had that in recent history?

There are very high-ranking individuals in the States working to bring down Trump, his approval rating is the lowest in a generation at this stage and he’ll soon be gone.

If push came to shove and you were forced to live in another country and had to pick one, you’d be lying if you said the US wasn’t near the top of the list.