Today's shooting in America thread

WRicko said:
Other countries have lots of guns but not the mass shootings. Something very wrong with America I imagine a lot of it is to do with mental health issues
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Any country that has a thing called a circle K convenience store desrves all it gets...

;)
 
WRicko said:
Other countries have lots of guns but not the mass shootings. Something very wrong with America I imagine a lot of it is to do with mental health issues
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Other countries that have lots of guns still have fairly strict regulations about them, as far as I'm aware though. I think the mental health argument is just something used by gun nuts to try and deflect blame. It's not as if plenty of people in the UK don't have mental health problems.

But if you're looking for factors beyond just the guns themselves, then it'd be worth looking at the fact that the US has the level of wealth inequality of a developing nation. That is typically correlated with a whole host of social problems, including levels of violence. Add to that their horrendous prison system that basically removes any opportunity to become a success legally once you've been convicted of one crime, driving people into a life of crime (massive generalization, I know), which in the States, is going to involve guns by definition.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
But if you're looking for factors beyond just the guns themselves, then it'd be worth looking at the fact that the US has the level of wealth inequality of a developing nation. That is typically correlated with a whole host of social problems, including levels of violence. Add to that their horrendous prison system that basically removes any opportunity to become a success legally once you've been convicted of one crime, driving people into a life of crime (massive generalization, I know), which in the States, is going to involve guns by definition.
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Take away the last 11 words and is it any different in the UK?
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Take away the last 11 words and is it any different in the UK?
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Possibly, but my point was more to compare the US to countries that manage to have access to guns without the high rates of gun violence and murder. Obviously there's no country on the planet that manages to have the levels of gun ownership that America does. But somewhere like Norway has less than 10% of the murder rate per capita as America, and they have relatively high gun ownership by global standards. Serbia has 40 guns per 100 people and has a similar murder rate to the UK (6 times less than America). Finland, Canada, Iceland, Switzerland, there are plenty of countries where guns are relatively accessible. But it's fairly well established that both poverty in absolute terms and inequality in society lead to higher rates of all sorts of crime including violent crime and murder. And the US has managed to create this unique combination of high inequality and insane levels of gun ownership. I'd argue that removing either one of those factors would improve things. Removing both would be even better.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Possibly, but my point was more to compare the US to countries that manage to have access to guns without the high rates of gun violence and murder. Obviously there's no country on the planet that manages to have the levels of gun ownership that America does. But somewhere like Norway has less than 10% of the murder rate per capita as America, and they have relatively high gun ownership by global standards. Serbia has 40 guns per 100 people and has a similar murder rate to the UK (6 times less than America). Finland, Canada, Iceland, Switzerland, there are plenty of countries where guns are relatively accessible. But it's fairly well established that both poverty in absolute terms and inequality in society lead to higher rates of all sorts of crime including violent crime and murder. And the US has managed to create this unique combination of high inequality and insane levels of gun ownership. I'd argue that removing either one of those factors would improve things. Removing both would be even better.
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I agree inequality gun ownership and lack of controls on guns all play a part but Mass shoutings specifically seem to have something to do with mental health issues or something else in American culture. Of course it’s wrong to go around shooting people as part of say a robbery etc but I can see how that links to crime in general inequality. Just logically mass shooting just seem so pointless and and the act of desperate and mentally unstable ill people. Even with all our problems with mental health we don’t get mass stabbing. Countries with lots of guns like America admittedly they have less and more controls don’t have mass shootings like America. Not an expert on third world countries and guns but less prosperous countries with less law and order and also lots of guns don’t have mass shooting. Yes they have less guns but I would guess they have less ability to do checks or deal with other issues but they to don’t have mass shootings like this
 
It has been announced that body cam footage from the five officers that have been charged with the Death of Tyre Nichols will be released today at 7pm EST.
It's going to be a long dark weekend for the United States.
Reports from the people that have already seen the footage say its AWFUL. I've never seen so many people try to get in front of a video being released to try and lower the temperature of the moment.

Heart breaks for my country, especially when I have no idea how to help it.
 
CTIDANDREW said:
It has been announced that body cam footage from the five officers that have been charged with the Death of Tyre Nichols will be released today at 7pm EST.
It's going to be a long dark weekend for the United States.
Reports from the people that have already seen the footage say its AWFUL. I've never seen so many people try to get in front of a video being released to try and lower the temperature of the moment.

Heart breaks for my country, especially when I have no idea how to help it.
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Just reading about this on the BBC website. Like you say, doesn't sound good when the best people can say is yeh you're going to be angry and kick off when you see this but please don't go too far. Nor released till about half 11 UK time so no idea what we'll wake up to tomorrow.
 
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