Today's shooting in America thread

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

What makes you think that this shooting is the one that will tip the discussion into making a change?
The NRA are like Liverpool fans. It's never their members fault.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this shooting will change anything. I just thought that generally the gun ownership thing over there is not a great success

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Including suicides there were 45,222 gun related deaths in the US in 2020. That’s over 15 times the death toll of 9/11. Imagine 15 of them every year?
The airbus A380-800 carries 853 people so that’s one of those crashing every week. Imagine the outcry if that happened and yet this carnage goes on unchecked year after year. It’s a fucked up place and no mistake…..

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think this shooting will change anything. I just thought that generally the gun ownership thing over there is not a great success

It's complicated - and living here where most of my friends appear to be armed up to fuck, the one thing they say now is if everyone had to turn their guns in, the good guys would but the bad guys wouldn't, so there is no way the good guys would agree to handing them back knowing that the bad guys are still armed.
I've been thinking for a while now that maybe I should get one..... on the basis that everyone else has one. It doesn't sit well with me at all but then it's not a level playing field if it don't have one..... and it's that conundrum that has got us where the country is today

 

[buckshot]

It's complicated - and living here where most of my friends appear to be armed up to fuck, the one thing they say now is if everyone had to turn their guns in, the good guys would but the bad guys wouldn't, so there is no way the good guys would agree to handing them back knowing that the bad guys are still armed.
I've been thinking for a while now that maybe I should get one..... on the basis that everyone else has one. It doesn't sit well with me at all but then it's not a level playing field if it don't have one..... and it's that conundrum that has got us where the country is today

What good would have a gun do you? Do you seriously think you'd be able to protect yourself with it? If somebody comes at you with a gun the odds are you wouldn't be able to get to yours fast enough and even if you did you'd probably miss because you're in a panic.

Everybody in America thinks they're some sort of Rambo who can fight off a whole battalion with their AR-15 but in reality they'd be more likely to shoot their foot off.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

It depends on who you ask but it seems that 4 or more injured (not necessarily dead) excluding the shooter, is the accepted norm (if that's the right word to use).

641 mass shootings last year (648 perhaps?), 21 of which included 5 or more fatalities.

I'm not sure if this has been linked before but it's a damning story:-

US gun violence: Two weeks of shootings data around the Uvalde attack shows the scale of the issue

US gun violence: Two weeks of shootings data around the Uvalde attack shows the scale of the issue

news.sky.com

wow...sobering article that

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

What good would have a gun do you? Do you seriously think you'd be able to protect yourself with it? If somebody comes at you with a gun the odds are you wouldn't be able to get to yours fast enough and even if you did you'd probably miss because you're in a panic.

Everybody in America thinks they're some sort of Rambo who can fight off a whole battalion with their AR-15 but in reality they'd be more likely to shoot their foot off.

I'm not looking at fighting off a battalion but if someone should attempt to break into my home, currently I have a bread knife in the kitchen to protect myself with against someone I don't know what they are carrying.....

 

[buckshot]

The best we can hope for is that they'll come up with some sort of ban on high-capacity magazines so that when we do have mass shootings we can keep the casualties to less than 10-15. I know how unbelievably stupid that sounds but we're dealing with the GQP and the NRA. Probably 70% of Americans are in favor of a flat-out ban on assault rifles but with the rules of the Senate and how it's designed to allow the minority to torpedo any reasonable legislation it's the way it's gonna be.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I'm not looking at fighting off a battalion but if someone should attempt to break into my home, currently I have a bread knife in the kitchen to protect myself with against someone I don't know what they are carrying.....

Do criminals ever rob houses for firearms?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Do criminals ever rob houses for firearms?

I don't know but they do rob houses with firearms

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I don't know but they do rob houses with firearms

Might just be me, but I think there's a big difference in having one at home as you describe to walking round tooled up as a daily norm.