Today's shooting in America thread

The right to bear arms is a minefield and I'm not sure exactly where I stand on it, I could argue it from both sides..but..buying your 15 year old son a handgun, whether he's mental or not, is fucking stupid.
Im wasn't a nutter at 15 but I was definitely an idiot, throw a gun into the mix and somebody is definitely getting shot accidentally
 
Given that as a backdrop, all the moral arguments of “less guns, less violence” sounds so simple in its logic, but it’s a fallacy at which Americans scoff because the biggest problem with gun crime is not the ubiquity, it is the “who and where” that create the problem.

Add to that the fact that most of the gun crime is commuted with illegal weapons, even though they’re legal to own.
But obviously part of that is the ubiquity of guns. If you're a criminal in America and you want to get an illegal gun, I'd imagine it's much cheaper and easier than it would be in any country where it's banned. You're also presumably less likely to get caught until you use it, because simply having a gun is not necessarily a reason to get stopped by the police. A quick Google suggests that illegally purchasing a handgun can be as little as a fine of up to $1000. That's presumably because you have to include people who just didn't do their admin correctly, as well as people who obtained them for malicious reasons.

In the UK, it's a minimum sentence of 5 years, up to 10 years, and up to life if other crimes are involved. The argument you often hear, that 'the criminals would still own them' is simply not an argument that stands up for all but a tiny minority of serious armed criminals. For anyone else, the expense, difficulty of obtaining them, and massive risk of actually using them simply don't make sense on any level. In a country where no-one else owns a gun, you might as well just get a knife from your kitchen. Which is what a lot of them do, hence the knife problem. But I'd rather have a knife problem than a gun problem, to be honest.
 
But obviously part of that is the ubiquity of guns. If you're a criminal in America and you want to get an illegal gun, I'd imagine it's much cheaper and easier than it would be in any country where it's banned. You're also presumably less likely to get caught until you use it, because simply having a gun is not necessarily a reason to get stopped by the police. A quick Google suggests that illegally purchasing a handgun can be as little as a fine of up to $1000. That's presumably because you have to include people who just didn't do their admin correctly, as well as people who obtained them for malicious reasons.

In the UK, it's a minimum sentence of 5 years, up to 10 years, and up to life if other crimes are involved. The argument you often hear, that 'the criminals would still own them' is simply not an argument that stands up for all but a tiny minority of serious armed criminals. For anyone else, the expense, difficulty of obtaining them, and massive risk of actually using them simply don't make sense on any level. In a country where no-one else owns a gun, you might as well just get a knife from your kitchen. Which is what a lot of them do, hence the knife problem. But I'd rather have a knife problem than a gun problem, to be honest.
Whilst your argument has some merit, the horse has already bolted…… there are so many firearms available now, even if you put a complete ban on the sale of them legally there are more than enough available forever and then it goes completely underground.
 
Whilst your argument has some merit, the horse has already bolted…… there are so many firearms available now, even if you put a complete ban on the sale of them legally there are more than enough available forever and then it goes completely underground.
And if the President said "we are going.to debate the issue", every fucker would go down to their nearest gun store and fill the shopping cart up.
 
The most dangerous thing in America right now are the options they have for the hot seat, with Biden being the most suitable and can't stay lucid enough to muster a clear sentence.

How can Trump even be in the position he is in, what sort of shenanigans is afoot to put Clinton and then sleepy Joe against the rampant orange cheeto?
 
Whilst your argument has some merit, the horse has already bolted…… there are so many firearms available now, even if you put a complete ban on the sale of them legally there are more than enough available forever and then it goes completely underground.
How do you eat an elephant?

Answer: One piece at a time.

It might take 50 years or more to sort the rampant gun problem you have in the US, but if you just continue down the line of 'There are just too many guns to do anything', NOTHING will ever change.
 

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