Today's shooting in America thread

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I think thoughts & prayers might be in order.....

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

The NRA has just filed for bankruptcy. This could be a timeshift.

 

[Bigga]

I sincerely hope that anyone who has an argument about guns and compliance and all that crap watches "American Skin" and, especially, the first hour.

All sorts of pro and con arguments happen and it's worth a watch.

 

[idahoblues]

The NRA has just filed for bankruptcy. This could be a timeshift.

No

 

[Ban-jani]

Unless you’re an American it’s none of your business.

 

[idahoblues]

Unless you’re an American it’s none of your business.

 

[Ban-jani]

I’m serious. It’s one thing having a nutbag President that’s a risk to world peace and sharing an opinion on that... but this is a specific constitutional change that is none of our business.

Something happened in the 1770’s, not sure what, but Britain agreed to back off from American domestic policy.

 

[idahoblues]

I’m serious. It’s one thing having a nutbag President that’s a risk to world peace and sharing an opinion on that... but this is a specific constitutional change that is none of our business.

Something happened in the 1770’s, not sure what, but Britain agreed to back off from American domestic policy.

You don’t have to convince me

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Unless you’re an American it’s none of your business.

What if you're Mexican and a relative of someone killed by smuggled guns from the USA?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What if you're Mexican and a relative of someone killed by smuggled guns from the USA?

Smuggling of firearms into Mexico - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Research has shown that many weapons and arms trafficked into Mexico are from gun dealers in the United States via straw purchasers.[102] In response to a 2009 GAO report, the DHS pointed out that the "majority" were 3,480 U.S. origin guns of 4,000 successfully traceable by ATF. These were the arms investigated out a total of 30,000 firearms seized in Mexico 2004 to 2008.[103] Most of the weapons end up in the hands of cartels

To further demonstrate the point, the USA is primary source country of semi-automatic Kalashnikov assault weapons into Mexico. There is a law that bans assault weapons in the USA but it only applies to weapons made after 1986, the majority of automatic weapons would have been produced in the cold war era, so it doesn't apply anyway.

Just a point to demonstrate that "this is a matter for Americans" is a bit simplistic for a world in which none of us live in a bubble (individually or collectively) free of consequences to or from the wider world outside. I don't think this would be a useful or persuasive argument with the gun nuts of why they should disarm in favour of aiding better social conditions for Mexicans.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

A couple of articles on the positive correlation that gun laws have on increasing police violence and killings by officers.

Police shootings are also part of America’s gun problem

A new Vox analysis finds a correlation between levels of gun ownership and killings by police officers.

www.vox.com

https://www.fastcompany.com/90517645/americas-gun-violence-epidemic-is-inextricably-linked-to-police-violence

America doesn't come out favourably in that list. The countries that are worse are often ridden with endemic drug trafficking led organised criminality, authoritarian systems of government or are other countries with lax gun laws.

List of countries with annual rates and counts for killings by law enforcement officers - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TFC]

Saw an extremely disturbing video today of this incident -

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Fuck knows how it came to be in the public domain and honestly wish I hadn't watched. Over snow ffs.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Saw an extremely disturbing video today of this incident -

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Fuck knows how it came to be in the public domain and honestly wish I hadn't watched. Over snow ffs.

I've seen it, I think I've seen the suicide video also, that's even more disturbing

 

[TFC]

I've seen it, I think I've seen the suicide video also, that's even more disturbing

Jesus, the fella have cameras in his house?

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Jesus, the fella have cameras in his house?

It looks like either phone footage or camera, he basically blows his head off with what looks like the semi auto rifle he finished the other unfortunates with

 

[Bigga]

I have seen a couple of vids about this particular incident. Kurt Andras Reinhold has come from the alcohol store and has crossed a road. 2 officers are sat in a patrol car and witness this action. You will hear the discussion about it prior to the incident.

You will also see different angles of the incident and you can draw your own conclusions on why the police thought the end result was 'justified'.

Please note the original 'offence' is not actioned 98% of the time and the action is not viewed as lawful considering the end result.

 

[Scottyboi]

I have seen a couple of vids about this particular incident. Kurt Andras Reinhold has come from the alcohol store and has crossed a road. 2 officers are sat in a patrol car and witness this action. You will hear the discussion about it prior to the incident.

You will also see different angles of the incident and you can draw your own conclusions on why the police thought the end result was 'justified'.

Please note the original 'offence' is not actioned 98% of the time and the action is not viewed as lawful considering the end result.

Land of the free can't even cross the road however you want, honestly scumbags.

 

[mexico1970]

I have seen a couple of vids about this particular incident. Kurt Andras Reinhold has come from the alcohol store and has crossed a road. 2 officers are sat in a patrol car and witness this action. You will hear the discussion about it prior to the incident.

You will also see different angles of the incident and you can draw your own conclusions on why the police thought the end result was 'justified'.

Please note the original 'offence' is not actioned 98% of the time and the action is not viewed as lawful considering the end result.

The stock answer is that he resisted arrest, he should have complied but.... and this is a big but.

Being shot for crossing the road? What a miserable world we live in. If two coppers can't detain one person without keeping a close eye on their firearms during the process it's negligent to say the least.

I'd like to add a caveat to that though, I have some experience in subduing individuals who don't comply and in no confrontation have I ever thought about shooting the individual, although I am not an American copper so I can't speak for how they feel or mitigate the threats they face.

Sad loss of life whatever the moral decision you come to on this.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

The stock answer is that he resisted arrest, he should have complied but.... and this is a big but.

Being shot for crossing the road? What a miserable world we live in. If two coppers can't detain one person without keeping a close eye on their firearms during the process it's negligent to say the least.

I'd like to add a caveat to that though, I have some experience in subduing individuals who don't comply and in no confrontation have I ever thought about shooting the individual, although I am not an American copper so I can't speak for how they feel or mitigate the threats they face.

Sad loss of life whatever the moral decision you come to on this.

At no point was the guy who was shot under arrest. He was free to walk away at any point. The police officers escalated the situation, and someone is dead as a result.

 

[Bigga]

Wow, I didn't I could 'like' both the views above given!

There's truth in both PoV.

I will say, though, highlighting the deceased hand on the gun is pure gaslighting!

I saw that as an involuntary action when pinned down and looking for some stability.