Today's shooting in America thread

[Gray]

My mistake. It’s the 307th mass shooting - in 312 days.

Basically one mass shooting a day. Utterly staggering.

It is one f'ked up country, we moan about things that go on in the British Isles but I know where I would rather be.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Putting aside for a moment the horror of yet another mass shooting and the idiotic refusal by successive administrations to tackle this issue, the very real question is what on earth can they actually do to stop it?

There's SO many guns freely available in the US, it's hard to imagine that if they made all guns illegal tomorrow, that there wouldn't still be millions of them in circulation for the next several decades. I genuinely have no idea how they can fix this terrible problem.

1) National appeal to hand over guns to local police station
2) failure to hand over guns results in a huge fine or possible imprisonment
3) get the U.S army to raid every house and shop
4) Melt the guns and use the material for new cars, highways, machinery and artificial limbs for those who had them blasted off by the guns.


or... just say the above is impossible, carry on.

 

[Magicpole]

Putting aside for a moment the horror of yet another mass shooting and the idiotic refusal by successive administrations to tackle this issue, the very real question is what on earth can they actually do to stop it?

There's SO many guns freely available in the US, it's hard to imagine that if they made all guns illegal tomorrow, that there wouldn't still be millions of them in circulation for the next several decades. I genuinely have no idea how they can fix this terrible problem.

That’s a good point. But doing nothing cannot be the way to go. Being able to buy a gun and the type, assault rifles etc cannot go on. You raise the real issue if there being so many, that is a major problem, but it’s not insurmountable. 78% of Americans do not own a gun.

Trying to take guns off NRA nuts could lead to a bloodbath too. But, I have to say, better them than unarmed children. Much better. They will make a choice not to abide by any new law, what choice do the victims have in not being shot? None.

Of course, no action will be taken. That’s the only thing that is guaranteed. As I said in an earlier post, we just sit and wait until the next time, and that next time isn’t far away.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The argument that there will still be a lot of guns is a poor one tbh, it's not one people use for drugs, prostitution or other crimes.

It would be if anyone was making it, and I certainly wasn't. (Putting aside the fact that people do actually advocate decriminalisation of the things you highlight.)

I am merely saying I don't know what the solution is, and even if they do decide to ban firearms, or severely restrict their licensing (which I think they should do of course) then it won't make much if any difference. Guns are going to be readily available in the US for decades, legal or not.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

1) National appeal to hand over guns to local police station
2) failure to hand over guns results in a huge fine or possible imprisonment
3) get the U.S army to raid every house and shop
4) Melt the guns and use the material for new cars, highways, machinery and artificial limbs for those who had them blasted off by the guns.


or... just say the above is impossible, carry on.

Nothing, and no matter who is shot, will ever change anything regarding the present gun laws. How many presidents have been shot? Seems that a shooting, no matter how the politicians ratchet up the tragedy, is as daily an occurrence as traffic on Fifth Avenue.

 

[everythingchangesbutblue]

Seems its a former marine, ian Long.

 

[PinkFinal]

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...s-california-borderline-bar-grill/1928231002/

 

[west didsblue]

Putting aside for a moment the horror of yet another mass shooting and the idiotic refusal by successive administrations to tackle this issue, the very real question is what on earth can they actually do to stop it?

There's SO many guns freely available in the US, it's hard to imagine that if they made all guns illegal tomorrow, that there wouldn't still be millions of them in circulation for the next several decades. I genuinely have no idea how they can fix this terrible problem.

They can't stop it. People get shot in all countries however freely available guns are. The best scenario is that the number of deaths reduce year on year while guns are made more difficult to buy, like what happened in Australia.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Nothing, and no matter who is shot, will ever change anything regarding the present gun laws. How many presidents have been shot? Seems that a shooting, no matter how the politicians ratchet up the tragedy, is as daily an occurrence as traffic on Fifth Avenue.

One day. Maybe not in our life time. But one day

 

[inbetween]

They can't stop it. People get shot in all countries however freely available guns are. The best scenario is that the number of deaths reduce year on year while guns are made more difficult to buy, like what happened in Australia.

The evidence is pretty clear. The number of shootings in the US is extremely understated because you have to also consider the number of shootings or isolated incidents involving people who aren't killed as well.

The killing of 12 people in one scenario makes headlines but it is irrelevant to the other incidents today where say one person is shot and injured, another where one is shot and killed etc. It is a major, major, widespread problem.

Here I reckon the total number of incidents involving guns harming or killing is in the low hundreds and will often involve gangs or organised crime. In the US it will be in the tens and perhaps hundreds of thousands but involves regular ordinary people.

The maddest thing in the US is not just that guns are legal but rather they have been specifically made legal by an archaic law that really was never designed to support the lawful use of automatic weapons etc...