So why has it become better at recruiting members and debating amongst themselves than it has at winning, votes and actually helping people. Seems anyone except self appointed members that have paid their fee are excluded from developing policies that could win an election and do something.Quite the opposite, Labour's getting flack from within and without because capital thinks they mean it.
I'm sure many on these forum shop at Aldi instead of using local growers so why do you do this? Aren't you also devaluing British workers by favouring cheaper foreign alternatives?
Why should a company be expected to not find ways to reduce costs when you as a consumer always choose the cheaper alternative?? Or shall we go down the route of forcing people to buy British as well as forcing the companies?? What a time to be alive....
I'm sorry we do not live in a totalatarian state, we live in a free country and as with my tax analogy if you cared enough about British workers and goods then you as a consumer would get your wallet out and be willing to pay for it.
Take a look at Primark on a Saturday afternoon (who gets most of its clothes made by kids in Bangladesh) if you want to see where the British consumer moral compass sits.
I'm not going to go into the rest, it is the same regurgitated socialist argument which holds zero value or substance because it contains problems and not solutions. I can tell you now that increasing business taxes, upping the national minimum wage, increasing regulation and massively increasing the national debt will not help with your factory shutting down scenario above..... It will directly cause it.
Anyway back on Blair, he is never going to be the person we want but he is the person we need. We desperately need a return to the centre. Labour has abandoned the average working joe.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s exploitation or not. Essentially they are devaluing the work that loyal staff put in in favour of a cheaper alternative that generally isn’t better for their customers or their brand. He could also do what other companies have done and say that he’s ‘outsourcing’ their jobs to a 3rd party who's going to pay them less, with fewer benefits.
Like you I work in the IT industry and the quality I've seen from outsourced software development has generally been abysmal. And does anyone prefer talking to an overseas call-centre rather than a UK-based one?Can I suggest if you want people on the other side of the argument to engage and take what you say seriously, you phrase your questions and statements in a less biased way?
What's with the "loyal" staff bit? They might be a disloyal bunch of shites, might they not? And "generally isn't better"? Another generalisation seeking to slant the argument. Your average phd qualified worker in Bangalore is probably pretty damned skilled at what he does. The quality of work that I've seen outsourced in the IT industry has often been of a far higher quality than I've seen locally.
I'm always amazed by stuff like this. You put together a pretty decent snapshot of how global corporate capitalism sucks, then you state this....
Eh? You've just said global capitalism caused that? So how come socialism caused it? Let's assume you meant socialism will make it worse.
You then state...
Well that was handy, so your solution is....
That's going to solve it is it? Care to tell us how?
Of course you end with....
Abandoned them in favour of what? Global corporations? I think you'll find that's the Tories and New Labour, but you want New Labour Third Way tinkering back! That's the middle way, right?
Sorry pal, you're making no sense.
Watch Tucker Carlson on Fox making the same case as you, with a different set of bonkers reasons, but, not surprisingly, he still comes to the same bizarre conclusion....
So why has it become better at recruiting members and debating amongst themselves than it has at winning, votes and actually helping people. Seems anyone except self appointed members that have paid their fee are excluded from developing policies that could win an election and do something.
You could raise the minimum wage and cut off/reduce the supply of cheap labour, but that would make Costa a bit more expensive.I think you need to read what I said again, the post prior mentioned that the problem today is outsourcing etc which results in factory closures.
I said that the solution offered by socialism is to increase the minimum wage, pile on regulation, put greater taxes on business etc and yes to also stop outsourcing. This all WILL result in businesses closing or at the very least it isn't going to help them is it?
Name me one single policy offered by socialists or this Labour which will help businesses employ more people and/or pay them more? Nationalising can be the only possible answer and nationalisation will be fuelled by unfunded borrowing and not growth because everything I said above planned by Labour will damage growth.
Once again, welcome to Greece.
I think you need to read what I said again, the post prior mentioned that the problem today is outsourcing etc which results in factory closures.
I said that the solution offered by socialism is to increase the minimum wage, pile on regulation, put greater taxes on business etc and yes to also stop outsourcing. This all WILL result in businesses closing or at the very least it isn't going to help them is it?
Name me one single policy offered by socialists or this Labour which will help businesses employ more people and/or pay them more? Nationalising them is the only possible answer and back to my original posts, nationalisation will be fuelled by unfunded borrowing and not growth because everything I said above will damage growth.
Once again, welcome to Greece.
Like you I work in the IT industry and the quality I've seen from outsourced software development has generally been abysmal. And does anyone prefer talking to an overseas call-centre rather than a UK-based one?
In order for the power of global capitalism to be reigned in, it needs to pay the price of doing business, which means regulation, taxation and a greater proportion of profit ending up in wage packets rather than dividends.
Vital public services need to be in public ownership, so we are not the victims of profiteering and corporate corruption.
The middle way? Whatever that is, accepts the present power imbalance between corporate capitalism, consumers and workers, this means nothing changes, with the exception that things get worse in a race to the bottom.
This is a quality issue and has no relation to the argument. What you have said doesn't automatically mean all outsourcing is bad nor does it prove that the cheaper the outsourcer the worse it will be. I can tell you for a start I have had just as many bad experiences ringing UK call centres as I have overseas.
Some companies barely make a profit and you want to take that little bit away through taxes plus stopping them reducing costs, more regulation etc?
You want to create a system fueled by your hate for a minority rather than base something on the reality which is that not every business is greedy or all of this rubbish.
I know quite a few business owners and they pay people and reward them properly. How do you think that will be affected when you slap regulation and extra taxes on them?
In fact if I was considering opening a new business well you have just made it harder so I might not bother.