Tony Blair

Blue Mist said:
Re your first 2 lines. He was the leader of this country at the time the man and his wife were forcibly removed from Thailand flown to Libya and tortured. MI5 and 6 report directly to him about terrorism. MI6 have been directly linked (along with the CIA) in the kidnapping. The joint chiefs of staff army navy and airforce report to him.
They were and still are British Citizens and yet Blair knew nothing about it ! Clearly he is a very poor Prime Minister as he never knew what was happening.

The totally innocent man was sentenced to death and then held in a Libyan prison for 6 years at our behest and yet Blair knew nothing about it ! Right.
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Sorry, mate, but this seems a little naive, and a little disingenuous. You do know about Belhaj’s past? This is a bloke who commanded forces against many rivals and was prepared to kill for his cause, very much like what happened in Northern Island (think Sinn Fein) or what is happening in Palestine.

The UK did not forcibly remove him, they gave intelligence to other parties who committed that act, all during a period when the UK were trying to bring Libya onside for our own benefit.

I have no doubt that Blair was made aware of this incident at some point but, as the PM, he may not have been made aware of this at the time. He has people around him who are delegated to make decisions on these things and not always will the intelligence community have to get authority to do such things.

As I said, this is not an argument, more a debate on where the evidence is to suggest he is charged and/or, has been found guilty for such things?
 
Not really into politics but never liked this man and never will. I was weary when I saw him walking around Kosovo like the messiah. Of course he did the right thing there and the intervention was needed by nato but he enjoyed the fanfare he got far too much and I think this complex made him bite off more than he could chew with Iraq.

That said, he did some decent things domestically and other bad things but to be leader for as long as he was, to be so influential in changing the country, for better or worse, you have to honour him.

Those who get so wound up by stuff like this and the statue for Thatcher need to get a life.
 
I don't have too much of a problem with Blair. Obviously his foreign policy ideas were a complete disaster and he rightly gets criticised for that on a daily basis.

It's hard to ignore though that 1997-2006 were probably the best years that the UK have ever had. A balanced and reasonable leader is precisely what we need right now and he'd beat any of the dross currently on offer.

If we could forget the wars, how many people wouldn't vote for him given the choice? The only people that wouldn't are Corbynites and the fringe right-wing nutters.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Sorry, mate, but this seems a little naive, and a little disingenuous. You do know about Belhaj’s past? This is a bloke who commanded forces against many rivals and was prepared to kill for his cause, very much like what happened in Northern Island (think Sinn Fein) or what is happening in Palestine.

The UK did not forcibly remove him, they gave intelligence to other parties who committed that act, all during a period when the UK were trying to bring Libya onside for our own benefit.

I have no doubt that Blair was made aware of this incident at some point but, as the PM, he may not have been made aware of this at the time. He has people around him who are delegated to make decisions on these things and not always will the intelligence community have to get authority to do such things.

As I said, this is not an argument, more a debate on where the evidence is to suggest he is charged and/or, has been found guilty for such things?
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I am aware of Belhaj's background but I cannot ever agree that a civilised country can partake in kidnap and torture.
The fact that American special forces summarily executed Bin Laden doesn't sit well with me either.
If you engage in that kind of behaviour you cannot expect other countries to abide by western rules.
Blair knew what was happening with Belhaj and his wife, he had the authority to stop it or at least pressure the Americans to stop it. He didn't.
 
inbetween said:
I don't have too much of a problem with Blair. Obviously his foreign policy ideas were a complete disaster and he rightly gets criticised for that on a daily basis.

It's hard to ignore though that 1997-2006 were probably the best years that the UK have ever had. A balanced and reasonable leader is precisely what we need right now and he'd beat any of the dross currently on offer.

If we could forget the wars, how many people wouldn't vote for him given the choice? The only people that wouldn't are Corbynites and the fringe right-wing nutters.
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Do you really think he is still balanced?



This was his immediate response to Chilcott, linking Islamic terrorism to explain his decisions and actions that led to Iraq. They weren't linked.
 
blueinsa said:
Yeah we have an incredibly long and busy thread for trashing the cunts in.

Blair……..
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It was one of the happiest days of my life when I woke up on that day in 1997 and saw Labour had won the election with a landslide victory.

I wasn't happy with the lies Blair told us about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. The UN had been searching for them for years without success and I remember saying to friends at the time there is no proof they exist and we are being lied to.

I'm no fan of Tony Blair as a result of that, despite my happiness when he became Prime Minister and the good work the Labour party in general did when they came to power, but the lies he told has, in my opinion, tainted him.
 
NPBlue said:
It was one of the happiest days of my life when I woke up on that day in 1997 and saw Labour had won the election with a landslide victory.

I wasn't happy with the lies Blair told us about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. The UN had been searching for them for years without success and I remember saying to friends at the time there is no proof they exist and we are being lied to.

I'm no fan of Tony Blair as a result of that, despite my happiness when he became Prime Minister and the good work the Labour party in general did when they came to power, but the lies he told has, in my opinion, tainted him.
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Agree but show me a single politician that could lie straight in bed, never mind to the publics face and I will be amazed.

We where always going to war regardless of who was in power because war makes certain people lots of money.

History teaches us that.
 
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