Top Policeman Lied Over Hillsborough

[yerwot?]

Well done Jay. It's staggering, in the face of everything that's now known, that anyone still believes it was somehow the fault of pissed up, ticketless fans.

Kelvin Mackenzie, with the full backing of murdoch is the reason . SYP the sun and the govt had previous form for collusion/lying, and fully expected to get away with it again.
People remember headlines, and the headlines quickly become "facts", no matter how wide of the mark.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Still find this a difficult subject to discuss. As my brother was in that end. He had been a regular away supporter and been the ground before hand he avoided the central pens following a bad experience previously. He said on the day that there was no one directing the fans once in the ground. The set up meant most people were funnelled towards those pens. All he could do was stand by in the un-crowded pens as the horror unfolded in front of him.

 

[East Level 2]

Well done Jay. It's staggering, in the face of everything that's now known, that anyone still believes it was somehow the fault of pissed up, ticketless fans.

Kelvin Mackenzie, with the full backing of murdoch is the reason . SYP the sun and the govt had previous form for collusion/lying, and fully expected to get away with it again.
People remember headlines, and the headlines quickly become "facts", no matter how wide of the mark.

Also some prominent football people made links between Hillsborough and Heysel as both involved Liverpool fans.
These links may have been bollocks but they were reported widely as fact. Throw in a few comments about Anfield Road and Stanley Park pre and post match by visiting fans of other clubs and you have a situation where the police and the FA were avoiding the blame.

 

[malg]

Well done Jay. It's staggering, in the face of everything that's now known, that anyone still believes it was somehow the fault of pissed up, ticketless fans.

Kelvin Mackenzie, with the full backing of murdoch is the reason . SYP the sun and the govt had previous form for collusion/lying, and fully expected to get away with it again.
People remember headlines, and the headlines quickly become "facts", no matter how wide of the mark.

Joey Barton recently refused to attend an event with Sun editor David Dinsmore for Sun advertisers as Barton wanted nothing to do with the newspaper.

 

[kev20971]

Well done Jay. It's staggering, in the face of everything that's now known, that anyone still believes it was somehow the fault of pissed up, ticketless fans.

Kelvin Mackenzie, with the full backing of murdoch is the reason . SYP the sun and the govt had previous form for collusion/lying, and fully expected to get away with it again.
People remember headlines, and the headlines quickly become "facts", no matter how wide of the mark.

Joey Barton recently refused to attend an event with Sun editor David Dinsmore for Sun advertisers as Barton wanted nothing to do with the newspaper.

I don't buy any newspapers, but was wondering how much coverage the inquest as got from the newspapers, and after Duckenfield admitting fault, did the sun run a front page with the "truth" !

 

[mardon85]

My Mrs and her Family are all massive Liverpool fans. Her dad was there and was nearly crushed to death and has never been the same since. We've been following the story closely and really hope justice prevails. Anyone who takes the pi$$ out of the situation has failed to see the issue. Its not about Scousers or candle lighters its about football fans being lied to by the government and police, the establishment that is put in place to supposedly protect us. As football fans we should all band together over this. Just like we do with ticket prices.

Hearing the united fans chanting about it this weekend shows how low they really are. On the flip side at an event I went to two years ago at Anfield, City supporters and Everton supporters were there in their home shirts showing support. I was proud to be a city fan.

 

[jay_mcfc]

The police behaved terribly on the day and after the event. But i've always thought that the greater responsibility rests with the processes that allowed the game to take place in that stadium with that capacity.

The Leppings Lane stand was literally a deathtrap. You dont need to have the benefit of hindsight to realise that. The previous near misses should have made that perfectly clear. The capacity set for the game was far too high. They simply wanted to squeeze two sets of supporters in to two ends of a ground when one end clearly wasnt big enough.

Its right that the inquest scrutinises the actions of the police on the day. But the seeds of the disaster were sown long before the day of the game.

I know what you're saying, and you're right; Hillsborough was an accident waiting to happen. However, regardless of all of the things that happened before the day and whether or not Hillsborough was a suitable venue or not, the police had three or four opportunities to stop the tragedy before it happened. Their failure to do so directly resulted in the deaths of 96 people and they cannot blame any of the other things for that. A couple of simple measures like blocking off the tunnel to pens 3 and 4 and delaying the kick off would have prevented the disaster.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Still find this a difficult subject to discuss. As my brother was in that end. He had been a regular away supporter and been the ground before hand he avoided the central pens following a bad experience previously. He said on the day that there was no one directing the fans once in the ground. The set up meant most people were funnelled towards those pens. All he could do was stand by in the un-crowded pens as the horror unfolded in front of him.

Yeah the setup was terrible. You can see from the videos that as you enter through the turnstiles you can only see the one tunnel which is directly behind the goal where most people would want to be. As Hopkins said in court, if there was more of a police presence on the day a couple of coppers on horses could have blocked the entrance to the tunnel and directed people to the side pens (which weren't visible and there were no signs or stewards or police pointing the way to them).

There is something that sticks in the back of my head that I can't shake. It was a comment by someone at SYP but I can't remember who it was. It was something like 'this drunken mob stormed Gate C and if we'd have had police in the area they'd have been crushed as well'. It stuck in my mind because all of the evidence, witnesses, videos and cctv show us that the police presence for a game of this magnitude and in the 80's was absolutely non existent. Outside the ground, on the concourse and in the stands. I went to a lot of games in the 80's as a kid and one thing I always remember is police, police horses and police horse shit. So for the police presence to be so minimal for a game like this I have about a 0.1% of my mind wondering if this was meant to happen and the SYP cleared their own out of the way before it happened.....

 

[TueartsOHK]

THE LIES

Liverpool fans were involved in Heysel so it can't be a coincidence that they were involved in this. LIE. There is zero connection between the two tragedies and people still making out like there is make my blood boil.

The problem was that the connection between the two tragedies was that both concerned Liverpool fans. We can't escape from the fact that Heysel gave football fans a bad reputation and in particular Liverpool fans. This had the unfortunate consequence of the match planning between police and officials being more concerned about hooliganism than safety. This could have been any set of fans but the fact it was Liverpool (after Heysel) made things worse. When I saw the live TV pictures my first thought was Liverpool fans were invading the pitch giving football fans a bad name yet again. Of course we were all wrong but I do think that Heysel had a connection even if it wasn't a direct one