Tories going to move further to the right...?

if that's what it takes to actually listen to the electorate then yes
 
Cameron is as far away from the proper conservative values as you can get, he`s a typical bleeding heart "Wet" that evolves policy depending what the pollsters tell him, another blair like creature with no morals.
He is a dead man walking because its plain for all to see he does not have the guts to do whats needed, he`s lost the party by losing voters, and sooner rather than later a leadership challenge will out him.
 
Instead of sitting on the fence I think its time Milliband just called Cameron's bluff and said that there will be no refurendum on the EU and started garnering support from the many big businesses wanting to stay in the EU. Most people with half a brain cell can see that pulling out of the EU would be a disaster for us.
 
Mike D said:
Instead of sitting on the fence I think its time Milliband just called Cameron's bluff and said that there will be no refurendum on the EU and started garnering support from the many big businesses wanting to stay in the EU. Most people with half a brain cell can see that pulling out of the EU would be a disaster for us.
Im not sure many people want to pull out like you say but surely there is a better deal out there we hand over as do other countries billions a year for accounts that have been unable to pass auditing for some 20 years which tells you money is going to places it shouldn't. An unelected unanswerable "government" is not a good thing!
 
Mike D said:
Instead of sitting on the fence I think its time Milliband just called Cameron's bluff and said that there will be no refurendum on the EU and started garnering support from the many big businesses wanting to stay in the EU. Most people with half a brain cell can see that pulling out of the EU would be a disaster for us.

So you think Milliband who is heavily backed by the unions is going to suck up to big business. Well if I've only got half a brain cell you must be brain dead if you think Milliband could pull that one of.
 
blueonblue said:
Cameron is as far away from the proper conservative values as you can get, he`s a typical bleeding heart "Wet" that evolves policy depending what the pollsters tell him, another blair like creature with no morals.
He is a dead man walking because its plain for all to see he does not have the guts to do whats needed, he`s lost the party by losing voters, and sooner rather than later a leadership challenge will out him.

Look, we know he's an old Etonian, but where's your proof?
 
5Live were saying this morning Europe isn't in the top 10 of issues with the general public according to pollsters, so let the Tories destroy themselves.

I am pro-referendum though, as long as there's the opportunity for both sides to educate rather than just the layabout foreigners taking all our jobs and building windfarms in our gardens while the French farmers take all the money angle there is at the minute.
 
without a dream said:
5Live were saying this morning Europe isn't in the top 10 of issues with the general public according to pollsters, so let the Tories destroy themselves.

I am pro-referendum though, as long as there's the opportunity for both sides to educate rather than just the layabout foreigners taking all our jobs and building windfarms in our gardens while the French farmers take all the money angle there is at the minute.

This isn't a far from accurate angle to adopt! What percentage of the EU budget goes here. I suppose we'll never know 'cos the EU is the biggest bunch of incompetents and shady gits we've ever got roped into!

A free trading block, yes! All the other nonsense, no!
 

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