Tories win Copeland b-election.

[i kne albert davy]

Having been a labour supporter all of my voting life I now wonder where its going to go now, those with common sense in the party just can't out vote the dreamers who've joined and have about as much connection to Labours traditional working class support as Mrs May possibly even less. Corbyn's the best vote winner the Tory's have got if he thought anything about Labours chances he'd do the decent thing and resign.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Meanwhile in other unreported news, Tories cutting housing benefits for 18 to 21 year olds and bereavement adjustment benefits.
Onward Christian soldiers.

Onward indeed. Meanwhile it's backward for Labour, ah well.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Having been a labour supporter all of my voting life I now wonder where its going to go now, those with common sense in the party just can't out vote the dreamers who've joined and have about as much connection to Labours traditional working class support as Mrs May possibly even less. Corbyn's the best vote winner the Tory's have got if he thought anything about Labours chances he'd do the decent thing and resign.

What amazes me, is the people who love him remain totally blinkered, I've never known the party to be in such denial.
The parallel universe his supporters live in must be fascinating, I'd love some documentary maker to do an in depth
analysis of them on telly, it would be a must see, but don't expect the Beeb to be commissioning one anytime soon.

 

[i kne albert davy]

What amazes me, is the people who love him remain totally blinkered, I've never known the party to be in such denial.
The parallel universe his supporters live in must be fascinating, I'd love some documentary maker to do an in depth
analysis of them on telly, it would be a must see, but don't expect the Beeb to be commissioning one anytime soon.

How anybody thinks Labour can win with him as leader I've no idea, the Parliamentary party know it but the three quid reactionary's believe the country will flock to support them. How delusional can they be.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

How anybody thinks Labour can win with him as leader I've no idea, the Parliamentary party know it but the three quid reactionary's believe the country will flock to support them. How delusional can they be.

Thereby lies the problem,mate, when Miliband introduced this scheme he unleashed a shit storm that's destroying
the Labour party, and although I've not supported them for many a year, I'm saddened that decent, sensible Labour supporters
are now stuck with this commie lite tosspot throwback.
Idealist students, anarchists, No borders fruitcakes, militant unionists and various other nutters flocked to join
in their thousands and have scuppered Labour's chances of ever gaining power.

 

[Helmet Cole]

The problem labour have is they don't seem to have anyone inbetween the yoghurt knitting commies like corbyn and the 'centerist' Tory lite lot.
It warms my heart though to hear the cries of concern about the state of the labour leadership from Tory's and Tory voters. It just goes to show that some things are bigger than party politics, and even die hard Tory's want to see an effective opposition - just like the rags wishing us well when we were in the second division :-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

Have they? Incumbent governments never win these, and together with Copeland it must be
glaringly obvious to even the most rabid of Corbyn's acolytes that the scruffy get needs ousting.
How they're going to do it after the £3 a pop fiasco is a real problem though.

Maybe raising the membership fees could be a "solution"? I put it in quotes because forcing the very poorest people out of the party by fleecing them, does not seem to me to be at all desirable behaviour, but I supposedly could work. There's no doubt that the far left tend on the whole to be the lowest paid, so significantly raising fees might see their numbers drop and allow a more moderate leaders a chance perhaps? I don't know if they could get it through without Jezzer's approval though? Nor if anyone in their MPs had the stomach for it.

 

[cibaman]

Maybe raising the membership fees could be a "solution"? I put it in quotes because forcing the very poorest people out of the party by fleecing them, does not seem to me to be at all desirable behaviour, but I supposedly could work. There's no doubt that the far left tend on the whole to be the lowest paid, so significantly raising fees might see their numbers drop and allow a more moderate leaders a chance perhaps? I don't know if they could get it through without Jezzer's approval though? Nor if anyone in their MPs had the stomach for it.

When Corbyn was first elected it was claimed that more of his supporters read the Guardian than the Mirror.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The problem labour have is they don't seem to have anyone inbetween the yoghurt knitting commies like corbyn and the 'centerist' Tory lite lot.
It warms my heart though to hear the cries of concern about the state of the labour leadership from Tory's and Tory voters. It just goes to show that some things are bigger than party politics, and even die hard Tory's want to see an effective opposition - just like the rags wishing us well when we were in the second division :-)

I can assure you; plenty of them look well left of centre from where I'm looking.

 

[urban genie]

I think a lot of mistaking a narrative that a lot of those that voted for corbyn in the 1st leadership election were voting for him or this percieved cult of personality, they weren't, they were voting for an idea that labour would reject the "tory lite" as it is termed direction of the party and yes the left wing cranks like swp and it's ilk latched on, but I and many I know in the local party would have voted McDonald if he had stood instead of corbyn in the 1st election as it was about the partys future, not the person.
I don't know anyone who would have voted kendal or cooper, in fact if jezza hadn't stood Burnham would be leader now.
Anyway 2nd election, if a credible left of centre candidate with similar views as corbyn, but not in such an imobile way (like the future of nuclear power which cost them copeland), but they didn't a twat called smith did.
Corbyn has been elected twice only because he isn't a member of the progress wing of the party, I would have him fucked off tomorrow if the leadership callengers weren't also shit as he's becoming a liability with his stuborness and single minded stances.
As for momentun, they are daft twats as much as progress, both should be banned in my opinion from being associated and member barred from being in them and labour.

As for the guardian, I read it and the independant amd huff post, as do a lot of working class people, another narrative set, if you read a broadsheet you are some kind of elitish snob, champaigne socialist, 1are you fuck, you just realise the red tops are akin to reading the beano or dandy for any news of merit, and tbf the guardian hates corbyn, they are a pro lib dem paper and do at least a couple of labour negative stories each week.

Corbyn goes tomorrow I wouldn't care, but labour lurching back to the right would kill it as much as keeping the old bugger in charge