Tourists

You make good points jma- although you come across as ludicrously patronising, and full of your own importance, so I wouldn't be surprised if people disagreed with you/gave you abuse based purely upon how you come across.


I think it's a bit cynical to suggest city deliberately try and replace 'proper blues' (for want of a better term) with tourists, for example with the last 5 games offer.

At the end of the day, if the price is met, City don't care who goes.

As Dave suggests, it may well be better for the Club in terms of progression if person X goes home to China (for example) and tells his friends what a great time he had watching City, rather than Gaz who drinks a skinful. But, as you pointed out, the shirt sales and other merchandise is where the real money comes- and that is going to be sold regardless of if the tourist comes to watch us play, or not.

The increase of price might attract the 'better demographic' but ultimately price increases were/are always going to happen. This doesn't mean it's a plan from City to exclude long standing Blues who, unfortunately, can't afford the tickets. It's merely price matching with other top clubs across Europe. Furthermore, whilst it doesn't majorly effect the bottom line in terms of Net Profit, any way of hiking up the Revenue is going to be a positive move for the club. This might just be a drop in the Ocean, but it will still effect the bottom line, however small that effect may be.

If Gaz from blackly decides to fork out X amount for the tickets City put on sale, the club aren't going to turn him away, so I think to suggest it's some sort of ploy from City to attract a better demographic is a little over cynical. The by-product will be a 'better' or more financially able demographic will be attracted, and the decision makers will no doubt have been aware of this, but the key reason for whatever increases will be to have some positive effect on the revenue, and the eventual net profit.

Like I say- I agree with many points you make, and unless I have completely misunderstood what you meant (which I may have done, it was a pretty long post, so I did scan read), but I think to suggest the club are deliberately trying to exclude match going blues is overly cynical....
 
jma said:
moomba said:
jma said:
How?

Specifically, not just 'some people bought some shirts'? How did the club aggressively attempt to fill the grounds with 'tourists' and what did they allow Franny Lee or Bernstein to do that they wouldn't have been able to otherwise.




How?

What difference, to revenue, worldwide shirts sales or otherwise, would it realistically make to regularly have 500 'tourists' taking tickets for big games or 10,000 'tourists' taking tickets for big games?

Are you seriously trying to argue that there isn't a financial benefit to the club of attracting "tourists" to it? Or are you seriously trying to argue that "tourists" haven't provided money to the club when it needed it most?

I'm simply asking you to be specific, backing up your assertions with evidence, and answer the questions that you have just quoted.

Well I went to my first game as a tourist in 1993, and have put well over £10k into the club since then.

I've met many people from outside Manchester who have made similar sacrifices for the club they have grown to love.

I don't know that I should go much further as its patently obvious that any new supporter provides a tangible benefit to the club. Match tickets, merchandise, sponsorship (why do you think United are thriving around their £600m or whatever figure).

The tourist today may well go back and rave about their experience, that might encourage someone else to make the trip, or visit the website, or buying merchandise. Its just common sense.

Sheikh Mansour has said that the loyalty in our support was one reason he bought the club, we used to get finance secured on future ticket revenue as people would know that we would be there come rain, hail or shine.

Guess what? You might have even found the odd tourist making up those numbers.
 
it depends on who you ask. If it were up to jma i'm pretty sure you'd have to show ID with a Manchester postal code to even enter the stadium. Probably would be police at the airport to keep foreigners out.

the part i don't get about this debate is the idea that tourists are depriving loyal supporters. There's an entire loyalty system designed precisely for this purpose. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that one longtime supporter of this team is being squeezed out of the opportunity to buy tickets to big games. You get 10 loyalty points a match, it would take a "tourist" decades to gain enough loyalty points to get tickets before loyal match going supporters.

I understand that the "tourist" changes the supply and demand equation, so it's possible that the tickets cost more, but the tickets were always going to cost more anyway. I understand that at times Hospitality and other venues are taking some tickets away from the general pool, but in reality we're talking about hundreds, not thousands, of tickets.

And again, there's a system in place for loyal supporters! The Home Derby got to or below 1000 loyalty points this season to buy. Most matches make it to general sale. Who is being deprived of the opportunity to buy tickets by these so called tourists?
 
Davs 19 said:
A Favour....no time to read 28 pages so can someone tell me what the definition of a 'tourist' is please ?

Anyone that was not born in Moss Side, Beswick or Bradford, and therefore should not be allowed to watch City.

At least I think that is the gist of it.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
That reminds me. Did anyone else see the guy a couple of rows back in the Chelsea section wearing what seemed to be an Arsenal shirt?

That reminds me!! Did anyone see the Asian bloke decked out in full Everton gear before the Liverpool game walking around the stadium the other week?
 
teddykgb said:
it depends on who you ask. If it were up to jma i'm pretty sure you'd have to show ID with a Manchester postal code to even enter the stadium. Probably would be police at the airport to keep foreigners out.

the part i don't get about this debate is the idea that tourists are depriving loyal supporters. There's an entire loyalty system designed precisely for this purpose. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that one longtime supporter of this team is being squeezed out of the opportunity to buy tickets to big games. You get 10 loyalty points a match, it would take a "tourist" decades to gain enough loyalty points to get tickets before loyal match going supporters.

I understand that the "tourist" changes the supply and demand equation, so it's possible that the tickets cost more, but the tickets were always going to cost more anyway. I understand that at times Hospitality and other venues are taking some tickets away from the general pool, but in reality we're talking about hundreds, not thousands, of tickets.

And again, there's a system in place for loyal supporters! The Home Derby got to or below 1000 loyalty points this season to buy. Most matches make it to general sale. Who is being deprived of the opportunity to buy tickets by these so called tourists?


Cheers mate, eminently sensible post that seems bang on the money to me. Was just worried there may have been a bit of a racist vibe going on.

As you say, if you're anything like a regular match goer, you don't have a problem. If you're not, join the queue with everyone else. Will ticket prices go up ? Course they will, due to our success and market forces, not 'cos some different folk want to go to the game.
 
Please give me the "tourists" if they are ready to get behind the team any day before the "passengers" who keep quiet for 80 minutes and then stress that the opposition are going to score every time they get over the halfway line in the last ten.

Who are the fans who have been excluded from the cup games as tickets went on general sale at roughly half the usual price of a league game. I agree that league ticket prices are in danger of pricing some loyal fans out but using the Cup games as an example doesn't hold water.

There are genuine concerns for less well of loyal fans / people taking families to the game etc but at the other extreme Some of the people not making the games are putting their tickets on Viagogo at inflated prices.

The price of the five ticket bundle was taking the piss but we will need to extra fans if the stadium expansion is going to be reality. The Board are not going to slash seat prices to fill a bigger stadium with "locals".

I enjoy meeting Blues from other place e.g. The guys from Ireland at the Dublin pre season tournament a couple of years ago. I think it is our spirit and attitude that stand us out from them lot in Stretford/North London - not the fact that there are a feels more tourists. Did any one kick up a fuss when we had the Chinese influx to was Sun Jihai or when we became a bit more popular with the Oasis links?

I am afraid I can't claim to be a "tourist" and I saw all the trophy less seasons have stated going in 77
 
Davs 19 said:
A Favour....no time to read 28 pages so can someone tell me what the definition of a 'tourist' is please ?

Someone who finds themselves at the Etihad , whilst they're out lookin' for Clacton on sea !
 
Jonny68 said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
That reminds me. Did anyone else see the guy a couple of rows back in the Chelsea section wearing what seemed to be an Arsenal shirt?

That reminds me!! Did anyone see the Asian bloke decked out in full Everton gear before the Liverpool game walking around the stadium the other week?
Big lad,camped outside Summerbees Bar for a while. Very strange.
 

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