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Yeah, I've seen this and don't quite understand why some quarters are hesitant about the look.

I think it draws from Heath Ledger's 'Joker' san scars and I hope it stays that way.

There's something more fearful about a character that stays behind a mask and allows his mania to run free than a scarred/ disfigured fella that has been given a 'reason'.



See 'Batman' for reference...
 
Bigga said:
Yeah, I've seen this and don't quite understand why some quarters are hesitant about the look.

I think it draws from Heath Ledger's 'Joker' san scars and I hope it stays that way.

There's something more fearful about a character that stays behind a mask and allows his mania to run free than a scarred/ disfigured fella that has been given a 'reason'.



See 'Batman' for reference...
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Personnaly I think it is shite, ledgers was scarred and messy a bit like the jokers mind, this just looks like a circus clown got caught in a heavy shower and his greasepaint has streaked.

The Jokers complection hair and lips were not a make up job but part of what created him in the comics.
 
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urban genie said:
Personnaly I think it is shite, ledgers was scared and messy a bit like the jokers mind, this just looks like a circus clown got caught in a heavy shower and his greasepaint has streaked.

The Jokers complection hair and lips were not a make up job but part of what created him in the comics.
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Guys, come on, let's move past 'comic book' interpretations!

Firstly, this is NOT a DCEU standard universe offering. This has been accepted as an alternative, so therefore doesn't have the same budget when it's slated to be released in a year!

Secondly, my comment was just looking at the way Phoenix seems to fit into the 'testing' shots, like wearing a coat. Since posting that I've seen other musings on the 'test shots' mentioning John Wayne Gacy who, as it turns out, was a serial killer and rapist in the US who worked as a clown at kids parties!

Even if that's not a true muse to work off, I think copying comic book 'Joker' needs to come to an end at some point and one would need to move away from the Ledger 'Joker', which wasn't pin point, but was very good.

So, you go 'angry'(Leto) or you 'smoulder the crazy'(Phoenix).

I like 'smouldering'...
 
Bigga said:
Guys, come on, let's move past 'comic book' interpretations!

Firstly, this is NOT a DCEU standard universe offering. This has been accepted as an alternative, so therefore doesn't have the same budget when it's slated to be released in a year!

Secondly, my comment was just looking at the way Phoenix seems to fit into the 'testing' shots, like wearing a coat. Since posting that I've seen other musings on the 'test shots' mentioning John Wayne Gacy who, as it turns out, was a serial killer and rapist in the US who worked as a clown at kids parties!

Even if that's not a true muse to work off, I think copying comic book 'Joker' needs to come to an end at some point and one would need to move away from the Ledger 'Joker', which wasn't pin point, but was very good.

So, you go 'angry'(Leto) or you 'smoulder the crazy'(Phoenix).

I like 'smouldering'...
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So it isn't the joker then but a psycho made up in maleup that looks like a clown.

Completely changes the charactor, ledgers make up and hair was more in keeping with the jolers anarchic persona, this looks off imho.


Take gotham for instance, it has reinvented the joker twice to great effect that kept faithful in parts but original in others
 
urban genie said:
So it isn't the joker then but a psycho made up in maleup that looks like a clown.

Completely changes the charactor, ledgers make up and hair was more in keeping with the jolers anarchic persona, this looks off imho.


Take gotham for instance, it has reinvented the joker twice to great effect that kept faithful in parts but original in others
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No, it is the 'Joker', but this may be a "What if..." type situation or it could "Earth 2".

Online conversation has revolved around 'at what stage is this characterisation?', 'is this the final film look?' and 'is this just make up trialling?'.

I'd like it to be 'final look', but I have big doubts on that.
 
Bigga said:
No, it is the 'Joker', but this may be a "What if..." type situation or it could "Earth 2".

Online conversation has revolved around 'at what stage is this characterisation?', 'is this the final film look?' and 'is this just make up trialling?'.

I'd like it to be 'final look', but I have big doubts on that.
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You are missing my point, I don't care about the what if shite.

When the joker was concieved as a disturbed genius counteraction to batman who is also a disturbed genius and what paths that could take, the persona of a man scarred and psychotic yet still genious

His apearence was or that a jester type laugh maker not a clown, later whan back story was inteoduced it was changed to chemical reaction causing the pigmentation.

The painted eyebrows, blue streak over one eye and exagerated red lips on pheonix are all clown like not joker like.

He makeake a great joker but the look is wrong
 
urban genie said:
You are missing my point, I don't care about the what if shite.

When the joker was concieved as a disturbed genius counteraction to batman who is also a disturbed genius and what paths that could take, the persona of a man scarred and psychotic yet still genious

His apearence was or that a jester type laugh maker not a clown, later whan back story was inteoduced it was changed to chemical reaction causing the pigmentation.

The painted eyebrows, blue streak over one eye and exagerated red lips on pheonix are all clown like not joker like.

He makeake a great joker but the look is wrong
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I suspect your p*ssed, however, when films are made they don't always stick to scripts, they use 'sourced' materials and their own spin.

What's the point in making a carbon copy film with different angles...?
 
Bigga said:
I suspect your p*ssed, however, when films are made they don't always stick to scripts, they use 'sourced' materials and their own spin.

What's the point in making a carbon copy film with different angles...?
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Why do you assume I am pissed? If it's spelling mistakes I am on a bus from didsbury to gorton and it's bouncy to fuck

I have drank 8 pints tbf.


However my point is still valid, reinvent the joker , bit he is an iconic charactor most people who will go to see it know alredy, completely changing him amd his look is not only stupid, it diminishes the charactor.

The joker is the joker the pheonix teaser had a man in clown makeuyp and looked like a clown not the joker that simple

The extra makeup diminesh the charactor, he wasn't a clown or someone in make up but the joker.

A card, an inigma, not part of the pack, unique and psychoticaly genius.

The promo does none of that
 
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urban genie said:
Why do you assume I am pissed? If it's spelling mistakes I am on a bus from didsbury to gorton and it's bouncy to fuck

I have drank 8 pints tbf.


However my point is still valid, reinvent the joker , bit he is an iconic charactor most people who will go to see it know alredy, completely changing him amd his look is not only stupid, it diminishes the charactor.

The joker is the joker the pheonix teaser had a man in clown makeuyp and looked like a clown not the joker that simple

The extra makeup diminesh the charactor, he wasn't a clown or someone in make up but the joker.

A card, an inigma, not part of the pack, unique and psychoticaly genius.

The promo does none of that
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So, using this interesting logic, can I ask you if enjoyed Heath Ledger's 'Joker' or not?
 
To put it to bed, I am not saying the new film won't be good

Bigga said:
So, using this interesting logic, can I ask you if enjoyed Heath Ledger's 'Joker' or not?
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Yes, as it was the joker re-imagined for the nolan trilogy and fitted, while not betaying the joker in style or look, unlike this, as I said I wil reserve judgement til after the film, but the appearance of a clown like look does not inspire confidence they wil do the joker proud
 
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Bigga said:
Guys, come on, let's move past 'comic book' interpretations!

Firstly, this is NOT a DCEU standard universe offering. This has been accepted as an alternative, so therefore doesn't have the same budget when it's slated to be released in a year!

Secondly, my comment was just looking at the way Phoenix seems to fit into the 'testing' shots, like wearing a coat. Since posting that I've seen other musings on the 'test shots' mentioning John Wayne Gacy who, as it turns out, was a serial killer and rapist in the US who worked as a clown at kids parties!

Even if that's not a true muse to work off, I think copying comic book 'Joker' needs to come to an end at some point and one would need to move away from the Ledger 'Joker', which wasn't pin point, but was very good.

So, you go 'angry'(Leto) or you 'smoulder the crazy'(Phoenix).

I like 'smouldering'...
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No acid, no purple suit, just a controlled madman as 'Joker'...

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Perfect.
 
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