Bill
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They are forever improving trains, they are a joy to use nowadays.
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Train Fares Going Up Again
- Thread starter johnny on the spot
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It wouldn't be going up as much though. Labour's policy on fare increases was RPI+1%. The coalition changed this to RPI+3%. Though New Labour's failure to renationalise it angers me to this day.ForzaMancini said:Wouldn't be going up if Labour were in charge!
Joke
If only. The majority of trains Northern operate were built in the 80s and should've been broken up years ago. We are not getting fair value as it is, let alone with this increase.de niro said:They are forever improving trains, they are a joy to use nowadays.
stonerblue
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Balti said:lets pretend that labour gave a shit when they were in power for 13 years as they attack the tories for doing just the same as they did
every government has fucked us over on ''public transport'' and no it should never have been privatised
and no it should not be run for profit as it is necessary public infrastructure that should be run for the good of the nation
re-nationalise it
This all day.
I was informed last week by a certain poster that they -the train companies- 'had to make a profit'.
When nurses are saying they will have to give up commuting to work because the cost is exhorbitant then something is very wrong.
strongbowholic said:Not defending privatisation or slating nationalisation with this question, but given the state of the rolling stock and the service in general when it was nationalised do you think we'd have seen the improvements we currently have if it was still nationalised?totallywired said:The joys of the tory privatisation coming home to roost. parasites.
depends doesnt it, on the will of the govt and who the people voted in.
one things for sure no one would have been taking money out as profit, so fares deffo would not have risen to pay for that.
maineman
Well-Known Member
its time british rail made a comeback
gordondaviesmoustache
Well-Known Member
The cost of train travel in this country is a national disgrace. Privitisation has been a fucking disaster.
dazdon
Well-Known Member
I only ever use the train to go to Glossop and it's a lot cheaper than the bus so i'm happy.
totallywired said:The fact that the government is still pouring millions into the `privatised` railway then yes i do. The massive payments and bonuses that we the tax payer are funding, for the directors of the TOCS. would go straight in the service.strongbowholic said:Not defending privatisation or slating nationalisation with this question, but given the state of the rolling stock and the service in general when it was nationalised do you think we'd have seen the improvements we currently have if it was still nationalised?totallywired said:The joys of the tory privatisation coming home to roost. parasites.
The TOC's dont pay for the rolling stock the Government provides the money for any new stock. The TOC's dont own any trains they rent them so if Virgin lose the franchise today and I sure hope he does because he has received millions in tax payers money,then thetrains now in use will just be painted in the new franchisee's colours.
Networkrail is not responsible for any trains as it does not run them and was formed after the shambles that was Railtrack was forced into liquidation by the government due to it's appling record.
It is responsible for the Track and signalling and some but not all stations
All maintenance used to be outsourced to companys such as Carrillion, Jarvis etc until the likes of the Hatfield disaster and Potters bar crash when it was taken back in house at massive cost but an increase in safety.
Major renewals are still outsourced and are a cash cow for the likes of Balfour Beatty and at massive cost to the tax payer. The TOC's receive more in tax payers money every year than the whole of BR did in it's last year of existence. Rail privatisation has been a masive failure and was the last throw of Majors government before he was ousted. We the tax payer are being drained of cash to support a railway industry whilst the government and the TOC's pretend they are private companys standing on there own 2 feet. It's a joke and a scandal.
metalblue
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Pieblue said:totallywired said:The fact that the government is still pouring millions into the `privatised` railway then yes i do. The massive payments and bonuses that we the tax payer are funding, for the directors of the TOCS. would go straight in the service.strongbowholic said:Not defending privatisation or slating nationalisation with this question, but given the state of the rolling stock and the service in general when it was nationalised do you think we'd have seen the improvements we currently have if it was still nationalised?
The TOC's dont pay for the rolling stock the Government provides the money for any new stock. The TOC's dont own any trains they rent them so if Virgin lose the franchise today and I sure hope he does because he has received millions in tax payers money,then thetrains now in use will just be painted in the new franchisee's colours.
Networkrail is not responsible for any trains as it does not run them and was formed after the shambles that was Railtrack was forced into liquidation by the government due to it's appling record.
It is responsible for the Track and signalling and some but not all stations
All maintenance used to be outsourced to companys such as Carrillion, Jarvis etc until the likes of the Hatfield disaster and Potters bar crash when it was taken back in house at massive cost but an increase in safety.
Major renewals are still outsourced and are a cash cow for the likes of Balfour Beatty and at massive cost to the tax payer. The TOC's receive more in tax payers money every year than the whole of BR did in it's last year of existence. Rail privatisation has been a masive failure and was the last throw of Majors government before he was ousted. We the tax payer are being drained of cash to support a railway industry whilst the government and the TOC's pretend they are private companys standing on there own 2 feet. It's a joke and a scandal.
I think the taxpayer contribution "inflation" linked between BR and the current setup is finally about the same but that has only been in the last couple of years. It is right the taxpayer should subsidise a rail system to both ensure branch lines remain open and that the system offers a good service on mainlines (not just at peak times), however, I disagree with that money be given to these private companies.
I think we may have finally stumbled upon a topic pretty much all of the cellar can agree on!