Trayvon Martin

Most people either just drive on or only slow down to have a gawp. Not the Zimmerman.

17 months after defeating his nemesis and fresh from proving his innocence against the evil forces of Angela Corey and MSNBC, the Zman is out and about keeping people safe from harm yet again.

George Zimmerman rescues family from car crash
George Zimmerman, the neighbourhood watch volunteer who has been in hiding since his acquittal for shooting dead Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager, helped rescue a family from a car crash last week, police have disclosed.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10196194/Trayvon-Martin-George-Zimmerman-rescues-family-from-car-crash.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... crash.html</a>

lol
 
intheknow! said:
I read somewhere that Zimmerman is suing NBC for editing tapes, to make it sound like he described Martin as black, without being prompted by the operator. He could win 'millions of dollars'.

I really feel for Trayvon Martin's parents, it's just adding insult to injury. I thought Zimmerman should have been convicted of manslaughter, 2nd degree murder was much harder to prove.

I don't know why people hate on Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. They campaign for black people and their rights to be upheld in a Country that has, historically and maybe still is in some ways, racist against blacks. I'm glad they refuse to be silenced.


I really hope that you are kidding. Those two scumbags only give a shit about blacks when it suits their own agenda and when it fills their own pockets. If they really gave a shit about blacks, they would be campaigning on a daily basis to stop the daily murdering that blacks commit on other blacks. "In the 513 days between Trayvon dying, and the trail verdict, 11,106 African-Americans have been murdered by other African-Americans."

The biggest obstacle blacks face in USA is within their own race, and before their leaders blame somebody else for their failings, they ought to fix their own shit first.
 
Im not sure what people are hoping to achieve with these protests. They are hardly going to rearrest Zimmerman and then put him through trial but the outcome will be guilty regardless because that quite simply is not how justice works. The campaigners want justice that suits there mind set not real justice. People should be careful what they wish for

Not that any of this isn't dodgy but according to Florida's laws he wasn't guilty
 
stonerblue said:
taconinja said:
Here's a post from a police officer that is similar to my take. I've spoken to a few buddies as well from the force and most of us figure the same. Zimmerman wants to be a Big Man.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/14/1223459/-A-Cop-s-take-on-the-Verdict?detail=email#

The verdict was ridiculous but not surprising. The only way I would describe the way that I feel is nausea. I am just sick that this guy got off and his lawyers are going to shamelessly be doing victory laps on TV for the next several weeks. I also feel so terrible for Trayvon Martin's parents who had to live through that clown show just to see this punk Zimmerman walk. But right now my burning issue is with all of the police officers that defended this idiot from the beginning. Because as a cop of 11 years myself this burns me especially deeply.

First off I'll just say that for me to write this post I have to be brutally honest about a side of the job that most non-police don't even know that much about, the police-adjacent characters that play a pretty significant role in the career of the average police officer. NO not fireman and EMS. I'm talking about the other people that if you work the street you get to know by name because you see them that often. They are the medical examiners, the tow truck drivers, and yes at times the Security Types. Security types come in basically two flavors; bouncer types and security guard types.

Security Guard Types:

If you've gone to the calls and done the job you know dudes like this. You usually meet them pretty early on in your career and you get used to them, they can be clingy at times. As you gain experience you learn what they do well and what they don't. Most of the time the whole precinct knows who they are. They will work security at an apartment complex or a gated community. In my case I worked a pretty rough side of Atlanta so there were no gated communities there, only apartments, and trust me the apartments that had gates were the roughest of all. These security guard types usually know all the neighborhood "stuff". They know (or purport to know) who sells the drugs and who is breaking in houses. They definitely know about the noise complaints and the unruly kids. The teens smoking weed. Most of the time they wan't you to run some dope-boy off or break up the couple having sex in the parking lot. Or maybe they are in over their head with a thug that they have talked a little to sassy too and they have been told they are going to get beat up or worse. Sometimes they do get beat up and worse. There is a place for people like this. They should be respected for what they do. But they should always respect what role they play and even more than that the limits of their authority.

In my experience this person gets in over their head a lot. There seems to be this struggle between what they perceive as their authority and what they know is their responsibility. As a cop they can make your life easier if they just keep the little stuff tamped down, (i.e. kids running at the pool, loud music complaints). But When you drive up and the security guard hands you a 27 ounce bag of weed that they just "confiscated" from someone in a car that is now unoccupied, the occupant of which has since run into a now locked apartment that Mr security just happens to have the key to, and they are begging you to enter (with no warrant), so that they can "help you apprehend the perp", well I think you get the picture. Every single day police officers have to make decisions like this. All are trained, some better than others. Security officer's choose to make these decisions without the training.

The Bouncer Types:

I can't lie, I've worked off duty at night clubs and been thankful for the security there. I have been in bar fights so massively bad that they looked like a scene from brave heart. When you are alone and the music is loud and everybody is yelling and screaming and running its hard to get backup so the only thing that has saved my ass a few times was the folks in security until the cavalry got there. Some of these folks are top notch, some are ex-pro athletes and martial artists. Some are even models and actors so you get a healthy mix. Many a night standing in the cold waiting on my shift to end I've talked to these guys about their dreams and some I've thought would be some really excellent police officers and I've told them so. I've encouraged them in the process, called friends in the department that were recruiters, even given personal references for them. So I definitely appreciate and respect what they do. At times I've worked with security that were more professional than some of the sworn officers that I worked the streets with. But then of course you've got the real knuckle-dragger's that just love to beat people up and then bring them to you looking like a grapefruit expecting you to look the other way. They are just clowns through and through and most likely sociopaths. Some of them may be doing drugs on the job but if they are real turds they may be the ones selling the drugs in the same club they work in. It's a dirty business. But they probably only make up a small part of the population.

In both groups, a lot of these guys probably work security because they have a desire at some level to be a police officer. I always took that as a compliment not with disdain. Law enforcement is an honorable profession and people do good work. But like any other job you have to have good people to do the good work. I've always believed that it is the combination of intelligence, integrity and courage that makes an average police officer a good officer, but I believe it is empathy that comes with experience that makes a good officer great. It is the same dynamic for security officers. The vast majority of these people are hard working folks that are very good at what they do. They are a true asset to law enforcement as long as they stay in their lane and do what they are supposed to do. I'm no longer a police officer I'm actually a counselor now. We have this term in the mental health field that we use that's called "scope of practice". If you are a mental health counselor, practicing outside of your scope will get your ass in trouble and your license revoked. Practicing outside your scope of practice in law enforcement will get your certification revoked and your ass prosecuted and put in prison. But what happens if you are a security guard and you "work outside of your scope of practice"? Well it looks like you can shoot somebody and walk free.

George Zimmerman:

George fits into a special category that we will just term the perpetual wanna-be. He loves guns, he loves MMA, he watches cops. He fancies himself a criminal investigator in the making. He patrols in his personal vehicle, keeps a police scanner and thinks that he has a direct line into dispatch. The dispatchers on night shift probably do know him by name only because he shows up on caller ID so much. On the night in question he probably sees Trayvon and for some tragic reason made his mind up that this sneaky perp wasn't going to get away from him this time. His GUN makes him do things that he shouldn't do because he is basically a coward. He follows, attacks, then is bested in a ground fight by a 17 year old boy that he outweighed by several pounds that he then decides to shoot at point blank range. Even the fight scene that played out in Zimmermans mind was written like an urban contemporary movie with Trayvon's last words saying "you got me". (really?) As a police officer you are trained to use the necessary force to subdue the threat but if there is no longer a deadly threat, deadly force is no longer necessary or approved. Translation = Had this been a real police officer, his ass would be in deep shit. The local police knew he was a cheese ball. That's why they never hired him. They probably knew him by name.

I think what we have in George Zimmerman is a person who very likely has tried to be a police officer many, many, many times but couldn't for some very good reasons. He has probably tried to apply to police departments and could not pass the entry requirements. Now from the surface you would say this is because of his size. You may surmise that he probably couldn't meet the weight or fitness standard. But I disagree. I would wager that Mr. Zimmerman has probably never gotten past the psyche evaluation. I'm sure laws prohibit the release of applicant information but I would bet that he has applied to at least 2 or more sheriff or police departments in the area and has been declined. You see even in a big city it's a relatively small community. Once you begin applying and fail a polygraph or fail a psych, that follows you. Chances are he's failed a few and has likely been blacklisted. Judging from his demeanor and some of the witness statements he may have some delusions as well. As many voter purges as FL has done it is amazing that this man was able to purchase a weapon after an altercation with police and a DV but I assume that is what having a father in law enforcement will get you. Just from the 30,000 foot view Zimmerman probably never should have been able to purchase a gun. Zimmerman never should have held the job that he did. And Zimmerman never should have been able to get away with murder but he did.

That is what is so infuriating and confusing about this case. Good police officers that I know personally very well, that I have policed with, bled with, have taken sides on this case that are completely contrary to everything they have ever demonstrated in their entire professional lives. People that would be pulling their eye teeth out with pliers if they had to deal with a guy like Zimmerman on their beat are cheering his acquittal. People that supervise officers. If this scenario had played out with one of their subordinates shooting an unarmed teen after pursuing them under these circumstances they would have recommended termination at the least and gone all in on an Internal Affairs Investigation are saying the prosecution never had a case. I am sure that my old department would not have hesitated a moment to prosecute any off duty police officer if they had done the same thing that George Zimmerman did. But for some reason this case triggered some sort of collective fugue state that has clouded every bodies mind. At some point this became a basketball game for them, our team versus their team. Now we've got defense lawyers doing victory laps, cops cheering prosecutors losing a case and 60% of the country feeling like a guilty man is going free.

Great read.


It is a good read, but it is such a personal opinion that it is nothing more than a good read. He probably, he possibly, he might have, FFS I could just write a "possible" story and stick it on here. He was found innocent. Do I agree, possibly not, but the nonsense written above certainly wouldn't sway my opinion in either way.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Im not sure what people are hoping to achieve with these protests. They are hardly going to rearrest Zimmerman and then put him through trial but the outcome will be guilty regardless because that quite simply is not how justice works. The campaigners want justice that suits there mind set not real justice. People should be careful what they wish for

Not that any of this isn't dodgy but according to Florida's laws he wasn't guilty

Maybe just maybe they are protesting about stupid laws they disagree with. Hoping that, by way of protest, their voice will be heard. Other than that I'm fresh out of ideas.
 
mcmanus said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Im not sure what people are hoping to achieve with these protests. They are hardly going to rearrest Zimmerman and then put him through trial but the outcome will be guilty regardless because that quite simply is not how justice works. The campaigners want justice that suits there mind set not real justice. People should be careful what they wish for

Not that any of this isn't dodgy but according to Florida's laws he wasn't guilty

Maybe just maybe they are protesting about stupid laws they disagree with. Hoping that, by way of protest, their voice will be heard. Other than that I'm fresh out of ideas.

Nah, they're just outraged at the verdict because the media and the state prosecutor suckered them in and then raised expectations.

If they're protesting stand your ground then why are they using Trayvon? Zimmerman didn't get acquitted through stand your ground.

They're just stupid.
 
Barcon said:
SWP's back said:
Sheikh said:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls[/youtube]
Is all of that true?

Not sure if it's true mate but the only thing I didn't know about was the lean drink bit.
Zimmerman doesn't come across very racist if those anecdotes are true does he. I said I've not followed the case very closely but I've been assured he was racist by lots of people on here so I'm confused.

Also re the lean, the screen grabs and what he bought strongly suggest that is what he was making, not that it makes a huge difference to anything.
 
SWP's back said:
Sheikh said:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls[/youtube]
Is all of that true?

I don't know anything about lean but the stuff about numerous suspensions, organised streetfights, the jewelry and the burglary tool are true. He also sent texts on how to go about buying/selling a gun (he also had at least 1 photo of a hand holding a gun) These were locked behind 2 passwords on his phone. The Prosecution withheld this evidence from the Defense.
He's also correct that Trayvon had a number of minutes to get home (approx 200-250ft) but didn't.

The stuff about Zimmerman being found to not be racist by the FBI civil rights investigation is true. Same goes for him growing up with black people, helping a black homeless guy get some justice after being beaten by a cop's son and mentoring 2 black kids (for free)

This isn't to say that Trayvon was all bad and that Zimmerman was all good. It just shows how fucked up the media is, as if we didn't know that already.

He's also correct about how the media handled the case right from the off, even going so far as to doctor the non-emergency call to make Zimmerman look racist.
The media were fed by the Martin's lawyers. When the first lowres videos came out of Zimmerman in the police station, in which he did not appear to have sustained any injuries, Crump, the Martin family lawyer, came out and said on national TV that this proves that Zimmerman had no injuries and that he gunned down Trayvon in cold blood. The problem is that Crump knew this was BS because he had the photos of zimmerman taken minutes after the shooting that showed clear injuries.

The whole thing was pure media manipulation. The result is a lot of pissed off people tricked by cheap propaganda tactics. In truth, people determined it was a racist murder as soon as they saw the very first 2 photos.

You're now racist for reading this btw
 
johnmc said:
What's this lean stuff. Water melon juice skittles and cough medicine. Strange. What's the mix ratio?

i'm not sure they have it here, but in the states there's a prescription cough syrup that has promethazine and codeine in it. the cough syrup sells for like 300$ a bottle , so it's not exactly cheap. Anyway you're supposed to mix it with sprite and a jolly rancher, or hawaiian punch. They keep showing robitussin for some reason i think thats how teenagers/poor people try to hallucinate but its not the same thing as lean.

I literally have never met anyone that would mix skittles, watermelon drink, and robitussin.

EDIT: if it were me I'd mix a 2-1 ratio of sprite to medicine.
 
rick773 said:
johnmc said:
What's this lean stuff. Water melon juice skittles and cough medicine. Strange. What's the mix ratio?

i'm not sure they have it here, but in the states there's a prescription cough syrup that has promethazine and codeine in it. the cough syrup sells for like 300$ a bottle , so it's not exactly cheap. Anyway you're supposed to mix it with sprite and a jolly rancher, or hawaiian punch. They keep showing robitussin for some reason i think thats how teenagers/poor people try to hallucinate but its not the same thing as lean.

I literally have never met anyone that would mix skittles, watermelon drink, and robitussin.

EDIT: if it were me I'd mix a 2-1 ratio of sprite to medicine.

Apart from obviously never having a cough surely smoking a joint would be simpler.
 
Well, as I have pretty much said from the off, for me it has f*ck all to do with race. It does seem that the waters are muddied and I suspect Zimmerman will get a treatment similar to what Martin is getting at the mo, so all this will balance out.

I have said before that there are assh*les in every race but people tend to deny how they feel when it is pretty obvious to everyone else.

So, this video is pretty useful. It is a little confusing, but stick with it. A lot of what this guy talks about is obviously States related, BUT one can attach certain behaviour and views as a broad sweep.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbR9TkKatu0[/youtube]
 
Bigga said:
Well, as I have pretty much said from the off, for me it has f*ck all to do with race. It does seem that the waters are muddied and I suspect Zimmerman will get a treatment similar to what Martin is getting at the mo, so all this will balance out.

I have said before that there are assh*les in every race but people tend to deny how they feel when it is pretty obvious to everyone else.

So, this video is pretty useful. It is a little confusing, but stick with it. A lot of what this guy talks about is obviously States related, BUT one can attach certain behaviour and views as a broad sweep.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbR9TkKatu0[/youtube]


What in gods name is that idiot going on about?

He's complaining about generalising but he's doing it himself.

I bet he's got a few white friends so his spiel is ok because he's experienced in all matters white.
 
mcmanus said:
rick773 said:
johnmc said:
What's this lean stuff. Water melon juice skittles and cough medicine. Strange. What's the mix ratio?

i'm not sure they have it here, but in the states there's a prescription cough syrup that has promethazine and codeine in it. the cough syrup sells for like 300$ a bottle , so it's not exactly cheap. Anyway you're supposed to mix it with sprite and a jolly rancher, or hawaiian punch. They keep showing robitussin for some reason i think thats how teenagers/poor people try to hallucinate but its not the same thing as lean.

I literally have never met anyone that would mix skittles, watermelon drink, and robitussin.

EDIT: if it were me I'd mix a 2-1 ratio of sprite to medicine.

Apart from obviously never having a cough surely smoking a joint would be simpler.

Well sure but if you were going through your grandmother's medicine and found it ,maybe non suspiciously walk up and grab a drink to mix it with for a change of pace?
 

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