Trouble in the East Stand??

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Tolmie, are you suggesting the heart rate for standing for 90 minutes and the heart rate when you are being forcibly removed from somewhere would be the same?

He asks for a heart condition to be taken into account, yet, despite his seemingly advance years, feels the need to stand in a section which will do so for the entire duration of the match.

The fan in question, as is his preference, will also sing and dance with the rest of 'em, no doubt.

His heart rate will be up and down all game, same with most.

The whole point is that he is being forcibly removed because of his subsequent actions to defy requests.

If his heart claims are genuine, then what the fuck is he playing at the first place.

Go quietly, argue your case on the consourse, further.

Certainly don't play the fool and bring greater risk to yourself.

if he has exaggerated then that's his decision, but you don't know him to know what his condition is and how serious it is, and it's unfair to judge that otherwise.

Also, I think we know full well from past stories that once this lot want to drag you out they drag you out and often enough a 3 game ban follows and that's that, shut up and put up.<br /><br />-- Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:19 pm --<br /><br />

I agree mate...thats got to be the worst fuckin post ever,BOYCOT A GAME is he for fucking real.....clown!

Cut the insults, I've said it would be the clearest and the strongest form of action we could take to sort the issue out, as I said there can be other courses of actions and I offered the thread up to suggestions on what we could do.

If you don't give a shit about this issue then why the fuck contribute to the thread?

I am split on this thread tbh,i do agree they have gone to an easy target but thats how they operate,can you imagine them hurling a big 6ft 5 guy whos with 20 of his mates i think then it would of been carnage....Like tolmie said they have to start somewhere & unfortunatly the old bloke was the easy 1st victim...still think the stewards were to heavy handed especially the fucking weasle with the rat under is nose(i dare say his card is marked) ....I just think this thread has gone mob rule & wanting blood to easily,i think city will probably come out with a further statement...I just think the boycot a match post was a bit to strong!

that's exactly the reaction it gets though, boycott a match? who'd have thought it, makes an impact.

As I've said they most likely wouldn't have to kick anyone out if they made the policy clear and consistent as I've made in several posts, I don't want to regurgitate so just read them back and see what you think.

 

[M18CTID]

There can be little sympathy at the end of the day.

This guy was just unlucky that he was picked out, but ultimately, he doesn't have a leg to stand on, literally.

In the video, he is clearly being obstinate and some of his actions, quite laughable.

He is quick to state a heart problem when the flashpoint increases, however, not so serious, that a man of his age can stand up all game and is old enough to know better.

My old man was thrown out for smoking in toilets the other season, must have been 200 in there doing exactly the same.

Means fuck all.

The law is clear, City, nor any other club, are able to enforce it across the board, but they can't be seen to disregrading it.

The whole incident just seems to smack of escalation, sheep followers and those who just wanted to exacerbate it for the sake of mob rule and handbags with police and stewards.

By the same people who spend the majority of the game being so self-aware, they concern themselves more with homophobic chants than watching the game, and giving it the big 'un to rival fans who are separated by police and stewards.

But it's not just homophobic chants and giving the big 'un to rival fans that upsets you is it? The other week you were moaning about the banter aimed at the overweight Birmingham fan in the Carling Cup game and saying people should've concentrated on watching the match ffs. You come across as a big girl's blouse who has undergone a sense of humour bypass and the only reason why you get any kudos on here is because of your ITK status (teasing tit-bits usually given in the form of attention-seeking cryptic YouTube vids) that has dozens of lemmings sucking your cock and begging for more info.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Ok. Why choose anyone a few rows back to be the first to sit down, no matter what age, sex or condition?

I wasnt there all i have seen is vid but someone close said he was asked to sit down and refused. How many other people were standing at the time i dont know. They probably do pick easy targets to make a point but then again you wouldnt pick the 20 stone juggernaut that looks like he eats babies to make an example of!! I agree they are wankers but i just disagreed about highlighting the heart condition

Everyone in that block was stood as already said. I highlighted the fact he had heart conditions to emphasise how the bullies picked out a weak target. If they wanted to make an example of somebody then yeah maybe they should take out a juggernaut to show they aren't afraid of anyone and that anyone can be ejected.

Well considering about 10 of them struggled with some old guy they would need the whole GMP in to remove the juggernaut

 

[Chungo]

I wasnt there all i have seen is vid but someone close said he was asked to sit down and refused. How many other people were standing at the time i dont know. They probably do pick easy targets to make a point but then again you wouldnt pick the 20 stone juggernaut that looks like he eats babies to make an example of!! I agree they are wankers but i just disagreed about highlighting the heart condition

Everyone in that block was stood as already said. I highlighted the fact he had heart conditions to emphasise how the bullies picked out a weak target. If they wanted to make an example of somebody then yeah maybe they should take out a juggernaut to show they aren't afraid of anyone and that anyone can be ejected.

Well considering about 10 of them struggled with some old guy they would need the whole GMP in to remove the juggernaut

Exactly, Cowards. And that is why alot of people are pissed off and we're still talking about this because they're there to do a job and they fucked up.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Everyone in that block was stood as already said. I highlighted the fact he had heart conditions to emphasise how the bullies picked out a weak target. If they wanted to make an example of somebody then yeah maybe they should take out a juggernaut to show they aren't afraid of anyone and that anyone can be ejected.

Well considering about 10 of them struggled with some old guy they would need the whole GMP in to remove the juggernaut

Exactly, Cowards. And that is why alot of people are pissed off and we're still talking about this because they're there to do a job and they fucked up.

Its not something new though. Maybe its worth trying to get a journalist involved although we really dont need more negative press. If enough people with witness accounts actually complained to the club then they would be forced to review the situation. The problem is alot of fans got a bit hands on and would probably find themselves getting banned themselves

 

[peoffrey]

Surely the most reasonable question is to ask why this particular Blue was singled out for standing whilst several rows in front were also populated by people doing the same thing? Asking him to sit in this context is ridiculous and he had every right to get annoyed. The Showsec Stewards were deeply unprofessional in their behaviour and inflamed an already tense atmosphere.

 

[Chungo]

Well considering about 10 of them struggled with some old guy they would need the whole GMP in to remove the juggernaut

Exactly, Cowards. And that is why alot of people are pissed off and we're still talking about this because they're there to do a job and they fucked up.

Its not something new though. Maybe its worth trying to get a journalist involved although we really dont need more negative press. If enough people with witness accounts actually complained to the club then they would be forced to review the situation. The problem is alot of fans got a bit hands on and would probably find themselves getting banned themselves

Sounds to me like you've not read much of this thread. People have already spoke to the media. I think Stevie B has spoke to the M.E.N or BBC

 

[the kippax wall]

In a crowd of 47000+ fans there will be every type of person watching the game. It's just a pity this bunch of amateur, unprofessional clowns chose to grip hold of and drag around an obstinate old man.
The disgraceful video footage clearly shows a couple of policemen clearly out of their depth and two bob wannabe bouncers without any ability to maintain a level of composure or deal with what should have been an easy situation to resolve.
We've all seen scruffy brainless morons climbing over seats to get at fans over the years, only nowdays they wear Showsec jackets and choose convenient targets to pick on.
I wonder why these plebs didn't go into the Napoli fans or Poznan fans in the same heavyhanded manner?

 

[cyberblue]

City Spokesman sides with showsec

How embarrasing ,the spokesman(unnamed) said the elderly man was extremley abusive (witnesses say he wasnt) he also said the stewards had complaints about him (from who) everyone round him seemed to be supporting him ,The club encorages the "Poznan" which involves thousands of fans not only standing but bouncing up & down .but one old bloke stands up & world war 3 breaks out

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

There's no inconsistency.

If they told me to sit down, I refused and I got dragged out there would only be one person to blame?

Now the manner they dragged me out may well be overkill for the offence but that's club policy.

they don't tell me to sit down in 117, I know they don't so I can stand.

I have been told to sit down in 120 and hey fucking ho, I sat down. regardless of 200 people standing to my right.

I then moved to 117.

109 should be allowed to stand IMO if 116 and 117 are. they aren't and that's club policy, not the stewards. Did they not send a letter out saying you couldn't in 109?

Was hardly breaking news on Sat was it?

Standing is not club policy. It is governmental law under the Taylor Report into top flight stadia.

This is not an issue for City. They either have to be seen to enforce it at various times, or the council revoke the stadium safety certificate, same with smoking.

It's laughable some of the kidology going on in this thread.

Prior to the flashpoint, nobody outside of the gentlemen in question and stewards, would be privvy to what took place beforehand, the ongoing stand-off.

Only the fan knows how much he was swinging the lead.

Thankfully, I'm not a steward or police officer.

But if I'm surrounded by a hundreds of people, all trying to impact the situation, offering their two-penneth, aggressive in nature, I can see why they want to use force to get the fuck out as quickly as possible.

£8 quid an hour don't seem worth it to be brazenly intimidated each weekend.