The security services are doing a bloody good job. They prevent countless attacks each year but you can't stop them all. These people aren't posting their plans on Facebook or Twitter they attack randomly and don't mind dying for their fucked up cause. Clearly France's security services need to look into their safeguards and intelligence as these attacks are happening far too often over there but no way should us law abiding, not fucked in the head citizens have to give up our freedom just cos some nut jobs want to kill people.
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The security services are doing a bloody good job. They prevent countless attacks each year but you can't stop them all. These people aren't posting their plans on Facebook or Twitter they attack randomly and don't mind dying for their fucked up cause. Clearly France's security services need to look into their safeguards and intelligence as these attacks are happening far too often over there but no way should us law abiding, not fucked in the head citizens have to give up our freedom just cos some nut jobs want to kill people.
The security services are doing a bloody good job. They prevent countless attacks each year but you can't stop them all. These people aren't posting their plans on Facebook or Twitter they attack randomly and don't mind dying for their fucked up cause. Clearly France's security services need to look into their safeguards and intelligence as these attacks are happening far too often over there but no way should us law abiding, not fucked in the head citizens have to give up our freedom just cos some nut jobs want to kill people.
We seem to both support the security services but have a difference on how they should operate. I'm prepared to agree to that if you are
We seem to both support the security services but have a difference on how they should operate. I'm prepared to agree to that if you are
Sure. The world is a fucked up place and it seems to find new ways to depress me every day. Bring on the new season so we can get distracted by Pep winning us the league.
Sure. The world is a fucked up place and it seems to find new ways to depress me every day. Bring on the new season so we can get distracted by Pep winning us the league.
Let's not hijack the thread, but spot on mate
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ThisYou do realise how many millions may die if Global Warming predictions are true?
It's about 10,000x more than are currently killed by terrorists worldwide.
I shouldn't say it's unimportant but spending time trying to be "greener" isn't moving the dial (it's too late for that). Spending time understand the likely impacts and be agile enough to adjust to them should be a priority.You do realise how many millions may die if Global Warming predictions are true?
It's about 10,000x more than are currently killed by terrorists worldwide.
But the focus on preventing terror needs to be upped imo. It would come at an expense of freedoms though. It's what the terrorists want but that's just unfortunate.
Northern Ireland was a disaster obviously (impacted my family in a number of ways). But it wasn't black and white. Things that were done were often for good reason but turned out shit. Maybe the same things can be done for the same reasons but with the benefit of lessons learned done better and with modern technology. Today as then the challenge was to seek out those that were planning to commit acts of terror, the people who actively support them, their tools of terror, etc. Better imo to be tough before it gets further out of hand.
If you don't agree then lets not go on about it.
FanchesterCity
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On the people taking photos - I have sympathy.
One of the few ways we ever get to appreciate the horror of these acts with via footage - be it war footage, or tragedy footage. Take for instance the photos and footage from Hillsborough - years down the line it serves to reveal the horror of that happened (and it's also been used in evidence).
It seems horrific and uncaring at the time, and I accept the motivation behind some of it is highly questionable (in some people), but it should never just be dismissed as some macabre voyeurism.
One of the few ways we ever get to appreciate the horror of these acts with via footage - be it war footage, or tragedy footage. Take for instance the photos and footage from Hillsborough - years down the line it serves to reveal the horror of that happened (and it's also been used in evidence).
It seems horrific and uncaring at the time, and I accept the motivation behind some of it is highly questionable (in some people), but it should never just be dismissed as some macabre voyeurism.
I'm being relatively serious. I'm searching for a way to convey that I don't think that the security forces really have sufficient resources and authority to watch what's going on and deal with it. And for them to do this some things we take for granted today as generally bad might need to be on the table. Things not seen since the North, e.g. internment, house by house checks, border control, etc. And when you get into all of that we give up freedoms (like not being monitored everytime we walk down the street). But if these things have no slant because we learned from before then maybe they're not as bad...and if it keeps our children from harms way....Jesus fucking H Christ on a fucking bike without stabilisers. Are you actually being serious or are you just a bit thick?
Lets leave it that we disagree.
FanchesterCity
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We have no real idea who good or bad a job any security service is doing.
But the security services have to get it right EVERY time, whilst terrorists only have to get it right ONCE.
No amount of monitoring the nation's activities will prevent a guy driving into a crowd, or turning on a gas tap and lighting a match - at least not until we can read people's minds.
Of course we can't just sit back and do nothing, but we could invest in a 'broad brush' monitoring of the nation - or invest in more intelligent targeting and perhaps deeper levels of monitoring those individuals. I am far more in favour of more power to monitor targets, but against the 'broad brush' approach.
But the security services have to get it right EVERY time, whilst terrorists only have to get it right ONCE.
No amount of monitoring the nation's activities will prevent a guy driving into a crowd, or turning on a gas tap and lighting a match - at least not until we can read people's minds.
Of course we can't just sit back and do nothing, but we could invest in a 'broad brush' monitoring of the nation - or invest in more intelligent targeting and perhaps deeper levels of monitoring those individuals. I am far more in favour of more power to monitor targets, but against the 'broad brush' approach.
FanchesterCity
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I'm being relatively serious. I'm searching for a way to convey that I don't think that the security forces really have sufficient resources and authority to watch what's going on and deal with it. And for them to do this some things we take for granted today as generally bad might need to be on the table. Things not seen since the North, e.g. internment, house by house checks, border control, etc. And when you get into all of that we give up freedoms (like not being monitored everytime we walk down the street). But if these things have no slant because we learned from before then maybe they're not as bad...and if it keeps our children from harms way....
Lets leave it that we disagree.
If we could search every house in the UK, it wouldn't help. There's not enough manpower.
As difficult as it is, the only real solution is better / more accurate targeting of specific individuals.
It makes much more sense to relinquish freedoms for those under specific investigation - phone taps, internet monitoring, surveillance etc than for a carte blanche approach that we all have to give up privacy so random checks can be made. If random checks are the answer, we're asking the wrong questions to start with.