Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice

inbetween said:
Do the maths though on what you have just said, say there are 2 million migrants in Europe, the actions of the 15 or so total people involved in the attacks in the last year in Paris, Belgium and Nice amounts to about 0.00075% of that number. Even if 0.1% of migrants were terrorists we would be in serious and I mean serious trouble. I seriously doubt there are even 100 actual terrorists planning attacks in Europe and that is generous.

I hope you understand that the other 99.99925% of migrants are actually fleeing the very people who are committing these attacks. What would we blame on the 100 people blown up in Iraq?

This has nothing to do with migration but a war against a poisoned idelogy held by an almost infinitely small group of people who do not even relate to the rest of humanity.
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maybe if the migrants didn't flee and fought for their freedom there wouldn't be any terrorists, there are plenty of fighting age migrants fucking off to form a fucking huge army, these migrants have got to help their people and their country rather than running away,i appreciate there are lots of women and children but I would fight to the death to protect my family,maybe that's me I'm not in that situation maybe I would run away,but one thing I know is I would be ashamed for the rest of my life if I didn't fight
 
peace frog said:
maybe if the migrants didn't flee and fought for their freedom there wouldn't be any terrorists, there are plenty of fighting age migrants fucking off to form a fucking huge army, these migrants have got to help their people and their country rather than running away,i appreciate there are lots of women and children but I would fight to the death to protect my family,maybe that's me I'm not in that situation maybe I would run away,but one thing I know is I would be ashamed for the rest of my life if I didn't fight
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slightly more ignorant than the shopping trip spoiled lady. congrats
 
bluesteel said:
It seems to me that people think we have a decision to make? There is only acceptance. The deciding was done when we illegally killed the leader of Iraq.

As tragic as all of this is, we are only going to be able to stop a small partition of these attacks via intelligence and the security services.

There is no diplomatic solution to this mess and the killing (both in Europe and the Middle East) isn't going to stop.

To quote Plato - Only the dead have seen the end of the war.
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Before the ill fated sortie into Iraq, there were 140+ 'Islamic Terror' attacks carried out between 1983-2004, with over 6000 deaths. By all means criticise Blair, Bush and the intelligence services (who lots of people seem to be advocating should get much more power) but do not rewrite history, in regards to how long this has been going on.
 
peace frog said:
maybe I am ignorant,would you like to enlighten me
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What would you fight with - how many guns and tanks do you have stashed under your mattress? Or are you going to charge in with saucepan on your head shooting them with water pistols?

Remember you haven't had a job in a while because the place you live is a war torn misery of what it used to be so you don't have any money to buy guns either.

Plus you don't have a place to live as that was either destroyed or you and your entire neighbourhood were kicked out to house people who support the regime.

Meanwhile you give all of your spare food and cash to your wife and your three young children so that they can risk their life traveling on foot thousands of miles through a warzone so that they can get to the safety of an inflatable raft crossing an open sea on their own whilst you stay behind to fight the bad guy with your spud gun 'pew pew'.
 
peace frog said:
maybe if the migrants didn't flee and fought for their freedom there wouldn't be any terrorists, there are plenty of fighting age migrants fucking off to form a fucking huge army, these migrants have got to help their people and their country rather than running away,i appreciate there are lots of women and children but I would fight to the death to protect my family,maybe that's me I'm not in that situation maybe I would run away,but one thing I know is I would be ashamed for the rest of my life if I didn't fight
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In Syria it is an armed conflict consisting of many parties and all of which want to kill each other. It was in the news a bit ago that one rebel ate the heart of a Syrian government soldier to prove a point, that is the level of hate you are talking without even starting to involve ISIS. The Syrian government in response is killing it's own people by barrel bombing them in case they are rebels and again the rebels want to kill anyone who isn't a rebel, finally ISIS just want to control the country and kill everyone.

Either way there is a very high likelihood you will end up in a fight that will see that your entire family is obliterated. I certainly would not be keeping them there and I would be on the first boat I saw even if it meant drowning anyway.
 
peace frog said:
maybe I am ignorant,would you like to enlighten me
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you would be ashamed if you ran away from an unimaginably brutal armed militia that was systematically destroying your land and your people even though you were armed with nothing more dangerous than a breadknife and a hammer?

its as stupid as saying the French people should not have run away from that truck last night
 
bluemoon32 said:
Awful awful news but unfortunately there is nothing anyone can do to stop these types of attacks, we're somehow just going to have to find a way to live with these incidents.
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Yes there is. Better protection of pedestrianised areas - concrete bollards or large vehicles to block access to areas where large crowds congregate. This can't prevent all attacks but it should help prevent mass casualties from this type of attack. Next season I expect that busses won't be allowed down Ashton Old Road along with post match crowds as they do now for example.
 
I think it's all the kids that were involved that's really got to me.

Bastard.
 
f*cking disgusting act - the French are soon going to start taking an ultra hard line with anyone who is associated with anything to do with these bunch of animals - and there will be collateral damage all round...
 
I always try to post something coherent after times like this, but I'm lost for words. I really have lost faith with humanity, and the globe. How can people regularly commit such inconceivable atrocities. Thoughts and condolences go out to the people of Nice, and France once again, on a day which was supposed to be a celebration of the Republic's founding principles of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity. At this time, it's these things which are needed the most.

Also, as someone who considers themselves quite liberal and left wing, it's saddening to see people turning to extreme right tendencies and removals of freedom due to fear because of this; which is exactly the aim of these barbarians. It requires, at the moment and throughout, those three virtues to actively stand firm against the threat.
 
inbetween said:
In Syria it is an armed conflict consisting of many parties and all of which want to kill each other. It was in the news a bit ago that one rebel ate the heart of a Syrian government soldier to prove a point, that is the level of hate you are talking without even starting to involve ISIS. The Syrian government in response is killing it's own people by barrel bombing them in case they are rebels and again the rebels want to kill anyone who isn't a rebel, finally ISIS just want to control the country and kill everyone.

Either way there is a very high likelihood you will end up in a fight that will see that your entire family is obliterated. I certainly would not be keeping them there and I would be on the first boat I saw even if it meant drowning anyway.
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You forgot Russia blowing up innocent civilians for the government as well and most probably the Uk and US drone bombing the crap out of eveything
 
west didsblue said:
Yes there is. Better protection of pedestrianised areas - concrete bollards or large vehicles to block access to areas where large crowds congregate. This can't prevent all attacks but it should help prevent mass casualties from this type of attack. Next season I expect that busses won't be allowed down Ashton Old Road along with post match crowds as they do now for example.
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Pedestrian anti terrorist action is indeed required, a trial should start in Norwich, the answer to this problem is that simple, call in Alan Partridge

Banning religion, giving up human rights, blaming Blair,house to house searches,making Saddam a martyr and asking Steve coogan to head up NATO
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Before the ill fated sortie into Iraq, there were 140+ 'Islamic Terror' attacks carried out between 1983-2004, with over 6000 deaths. By all means criticise Blair, Bush and the intelligence services (who lots of people seem to be advocating should get much more power) but do not rewrite history, in regards to how long this has been going on.
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Depending on which of these you choose to believe there are up to a million dead since the invasion in 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War?wprov=sfla1

That's a lot of people who have lost a lot of family, and want someone to take revenge on (just in Iraq). I'm assuming a high proportion of those 160 terror attacks you quoted were carried out on Sunni Muslims by Shia Muslums, or vice versa or Hamas on Israel. Israel has been taking out infrastructure in Syria for years in retaliation, keeping it in the dark ages.

I'm not attempting to re-write anything. But do you think these attacks would be going on if we hadn't destabilised the whole region?

That's rhetorical, I mean one of the men who carried out the Paris attacks said this is for Syria...

We had/have no business being in any of these countries, we're in Syria because we want to bring down Assad! Because what? We think that the people there are going to fall in line and accept democracy and live happily ever after? They are neither ready nor willing.

We will reap what we sow. The way I see it, it was our western governments that have caused this, what we're seeing now is the fall out, which pales in insignificance when we look at the death tolls involved in each respective country.

Nobody (well I'm not) is saying Saddam wasn't evil, I'm saying he was a necessary evil.

I'm under no illusion that we didn't help shape what we're seeing today. I wish it would all go away, but it can't.
 
Alex-MCFC said:
I always try to post something coherent after times like this, but I'm lost for words. I really have lost faith with humanity, and the globe. How can people regularly commit such inconceivable atrocities. Thoughts and condolences go out to the people of Nice, and France once again, on a day which was supposed to be a celebration of the Republic's founding principles of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity. At this time, it's these things which are needed the most.

Also, as someone who considers themselves quite liberal and left wing, it's saddening to see people turning to extreme right tendencies and removals of freedom due to fear because of this; which is exactly the aim of these barbarians. It requires, at the moment and throughout, those three virtues to actively stand firm against the threat.
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Would you be so liberal if it had been your child brutally murdered at the start of his life in the name of a make believe God? I think not.

It's utter horseshit and has no place in Europe. We need a far less tolerant attitude to religious extremism.

How many more times are we going to keep putting French flags on Facebook pictures, lighting candles and saying we can on living as we do - in the meantime innocent children are killed. This bullshit line of this is what they want - sick of hearing it. It's a kop out.
 
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