Truck Runs into Crowd in Nice

[Pam]

I know what you're saying and I agree that powers have been mis-used in the past. What I was advocating was proper, legit intelligence gathering to monitor all, in order to target the people doing this type of atrocity. We surely can't expect our security forces to protect us but not give them a powerful tool to help them?

Apparently, there was only one assailant last night and look at the death toll. The damage just one individual can do is horrifying and you have to feel some sympathy with the security services when you consider just how soft these targets are with a population of tens of millions to police/protect.

 

[flyer]

This assumes we have only the option of big brother. I would like to think we can self moderate better than those in power think we can. Now this is the tricky bit...

What mechanism would allow for greater scrutiny and less intereference from a centralised monopoly of power who would trample over the rights of the individual for the greater good?

I don't know is my simple answer. I just feel useless as an individual to stop these atrocities, and feel that we have to give greater power to those who's job it is to protect us. Again, I'll say, only in the correct manner.

Now that I say that, isn't it correct to allow all of our security services to do what is needed to protect us providing that it's done properly. What's the point of those services otherwise?

 

[adrianr]

Sounds like some on here think V for Vendetta is a future utopian documentary.

 

[flyer]

Apparently, there was only one assailant last night and look at the death toll. The damage just one individual can do is horrifying and you have to feel some sympathy with the security services when you consider just how soft these targets are with a population of tens of millions to police/protect.

Agreed with you Pam, and we all know that it's impossible to watch everybody all of the time. Maybe I'm clutching at straws, but I just want our defence to be as strong as possible. My big brother thing may not be what's required, but I'll sign up to whatever helps innocent people as much as possible

 

[mat]

Not sure why anyone would want to watch them. I have absolutely no desire to see innocent people being slaughtered so I will avoid clicking on any links to them.

Agreed.

My Twatter feed is swamped at the mo.

 

[Pam]

Agreed with you Pam, and we all know that it's impossible to watch everybody all of the time. Maybe I'm clutching at straws, but I just want our defence to be as strong as possible. My big brother thing may not be what's required, but I'll sign up to whatever helps innocent people as much as possible

If an automatic weapon and grenades were involved, that could at least be something they could look out. And open borders. ... is that realistic in such a climate? I don't know. It's a pity the authorities have been known to exploit this shit. The Homeland Security regime in the USA being a case in point. We don't want a snooper's charter but we need to close the borders and someone needs to find out who is funding these groups and arming them. If that happens to be the likes of the Wahhabi regime in Saudi and this is not politically convenient, well tough shit.

 

[ultimateharold]

'Is our privacy more important than our lives?' I'm not sure how anyone can oppose that really. If big brother has to know about everything that I do / have done but that knowledge ultimately saves one of my family, then just do it as quickly as possible. I've got absolutely no problem expanding that to include the lives of all decent people whoever you are.

Agree, Britain would be target no.1 but we've had nothing of scale since 7/7. Our domestic intelligence is clearly doing a good job.

 

[SWP's back]

I agree and monitor every street. And allow sweeps on areas by the police. Pretty much a lot of what people complained about in Northern Ireland. But just try to learn from there and do it better and more respectfully.

Do it now before Northern Ireland being the worst case turns into Syria being the worst case.

Do you know how big France is?

And you do know it didn't work in Northern Ireland right?

No amount of Orwellian state ethics can stop a lunatic killing dozens in a truck.

 

[SWP's back]

IMO this is far far more important than global warming for example. The focus should be on this. If I had to try to battle an impossible task it would be this above all else.

You do realise how many millions may die if Global Warming predictions are true?

It's about 10,000x more than are currently killed by terrorists worldwide.

 

[RandomJ]

Can't even believe people are saying "yeah take away our freedoms to save us from the scary terrorists". That's exactly what they fucking want. They want to scare you, they want to change our way of life. If you seriously think giving corrupt governments total power over you is going to stop them then I have some magic beans to sell you.