Tuition fees

[bluetom]

I think the idea is that the report would come out with the most severe recommendation possible in order for the tory compromise ( of say £7000 a year) to look like a reasonable offer.

that or we're screwed.

I don't think the cost of going to uni has anything to do with "mickey-mouse" courses or the increase in people going to uni. These days you need to go to university to do things which previously would require work experience/on the job qualifications.

I don't think everyone has to necessarily go to uni, but there is something I think beneficial about spending a few years away from home with different people doing things you might not normally do and being put in new situations - i think people really benefit from it, if that can be achieved without every single person having to buy a £10,000 BA that would be ideal.

 

[Adidas Barry Silkman]

Thieving, hypocritical bastards. All these fuckers in the government got their degrees for free years ago when they were young, not to mention a juicy grant and free accommodation into the bargain. It's already a rip-off, Labour were to blame for that, but these latest tossers sending it through the roof and lamely trying to justify it as "economic realities" is pure opportunism and beyond a joke.

I've got 3 kids, one at grammar school, two aspiring to be who will have no chance of affording a higher education at this rate. Maybe i should just say "don't bother at school kids, have a doss, take it easy and just sign on when you leave like everbody else". The alternative is only likely to bankrupt them, us or both. Tell me why should I bother my arse encouraging them to do the right thing when they're only going to be made to suffer for it? That twat Cameron needs gassing.

 

[Nervous Nedum]

It's all well and good saying that people should go straight into work when they finish school, but the typical job a 16-18 year old is going to get isn't really a viable career.

IMO, there should be different levels of tuition fees, depending on the degree. Nurses, doctors, teachers, science, language etc degrees should be more accessable than degrees in say American Studies, or some other pointless degree like that.

 

[msl]

I graduated Uni last year and it was my age group (starting Uni in 2006) that saw fees rise from £1,200 a year up to £3,070 a year and boy did that get my goat!

I just cannot see how anybody is going to be able to afford this second rise. If anything because of the lack of jobs, we should be encouraging people to go to Uni and thus reducing the figures of unemployment, but instead we do the opposite? Jack up Uni prices so every Tom, Dick and Harry will be applying for every single job. Idiocy.

I don't buy into all this rich looking after the rich rhetoric coz everyone takes out a loan anyway, but when these students do eventually graduate a nd get into work the repayments will last for many a long year

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's all well and good saying that people should go straight into work when they finish school, but the typical job a 16-18 year old is going to get isn't really a viable career.

IMO, there should be different levels of tuition fees, depending on the degree. Nurses, doctors, teachers, science, language etc degrees should be more accessable than degrees in say American Studies, or some other pointless degree like that.

The problem with this argument is the assumption that a 16-18yr old is incapable of doing anything unless he/she goes to uni. This is nonsense. The majority of school leavers years ago did'nt go and I know of plenty who have done extremely well after starting at the foot of the ladder. It is now entrenched in the psyche of youngsters that they 'must' go to uni even though swathes of them will achieve nothing worthwhile.
These people do not need, or are incapable of benefitting from yet more years of academic training and will gain far more experience of the real world in a job.(The lack of jobs is another argument).
I repeat, the sad thing now is kids from poor backgrounds who are academically brilliant and deserve support are suffering from a lunatic policy that has levelled the abilities of everyone.

 

[The_Maverick]

It's all well and good saying that people should go straight into work when they finish school, but the typical job a 16-18 year old is going to get isn't really a viable career.

IMO, there should be different levels of tuition fees, depending on the degree. Nurses, doctors, teachers, science, language etc degrees should be more accessable than degrees in say American Studies, or some other pointless degree like that.

Strongly disagree with the first part of that. I left school at 16, went ona YTS (anyone else remember them?) course for 2 years. Worked bloody hard over the following 10 years to build my career, had a number of promotions. OK I wasn't a multimillionaire tycoon but we had a comfortable life. It can be done if you are prepared to work.

 

[Blue Smarties]

I'll take a loan out and not pay it back, fuck yers :-)

I don't care if you say I can't do that;o)

 

[law74]

It's all well and good saying that people should go straight into work when they finish school, but the typical job a 16-18 year old is going to get isn't really a viable career.

IMO, there should be different levels of tuition fees, depending on the degree. Nurses, doctors, teachers, science, language etc degrees should be more accessable than degrees in say American Studies, or some other pointless degree like that.

Strongly disagree with the first part of that. I left school at 16, went ona YTS (anyone else remember them?) course for 2 years. Worked bloody hard over the following 10 years to build my career, had a number of promotions. OK I wasn't a multimillionaire tycoon but we had a comfortable life. It can be done if you are prepared to work.

True, and more should be done to encourage young people to take apprenticeships and learn a trade, but how and where are they going to get the apprenticeship to learn that trade when the building sector is in meltdown in large parts of the country, if no houses are being built, how do you learn to lay the foundations, buile the walls for a joiner / roofer to fit the joists, spark to wire them, plasterer to plaster the walls and then get the window fitter to fit the windows?
A mechanic now needs nearly as much computer knowledge to fix a modern car as a software engineer, Classroom work can only teach a potential tradesman so much, but we need to get people working to train the next generation, and get people paying tax and contributing to the coffers of our local retail trade, if no one else is building houses, then the government (either central of local) should be looking at brownfield sited (which they already own), to build new association or authority housing for the low paid, and in doing so undercut the buy to let shysters that fed the property boom, reducing the amount paid in housing benefit and giving our youth real jobs and real skills.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

It does have everything to do with over subscription which is unnecessary.
To say that more people need to go to gain new experiences is twaddle. Getting a job brings new experiences. I took an apprenticeship. And many people do well just getting on the working ladder and moving up. Experience counts for more than a piece of paper.

I was looking to apply as a mature student next year. I don't mind the fees as they are as you get to pay after when you are earning. And it's only fair that people pay for education after college years.
But £10,000 is highly unreasonable. I understand infrastructure and teachers need paying for but I doubt it costs 10 grand a year per person.
Money should be saved by getting rid of the mickey mouse degrees and concentrating solely on useful ones.

 

[Rushton121]

Glad i finished my degree before these kunts got in power....saying that i am still £18k worth of student loan debts (plus an extra £9k for the LPC)