Turkey

[mat]

CNN Turk back on air - producer explaining loss to audience. Can't speak Turk mind.

 

[LWashington]

Anyone think he should apply for the Spainish National Team Managers Job, He's got the facial hair, suit and gestures.

 

[SWP's back]

Turkey's in the middle of most Islamic nations. Most of north Africa is west of Turkey!
You do realise that Turkey has been predominantly Islamic for centuries. It's not 'creeping' into Turkey, it's secularism that's been creeping in.

That's not true, whilst Turkey has had Islam as its main religion, the Ottoman Empire consisted of many different religions and was rules in a far more secular style than at present.

 

[SWP's back]

Thank Thatcher.

Her social revolution turned us into a country of self serving, selfish cunts.

Haha come off it.

Or at least speak for yourself.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

And as soon as one is sent towards the middle east, a few will come back in the opposite direction

That's when the fun starts (dark humour, poss true)

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Disappointed to wake up to a half-time reversal thought it was an away banker at half ten last night.

 

[sir baconface]

Ruined my fcuking shopping trip to Istanbul.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

They will not succeed!!.

First of all, Turkey is not an Islamic state, as per the Turkey Constitution, Turkey is Secular, Democratic, and Republic.
Second, Islam has nothing to do with all this killing. The West has created all these problems. Starting from Crusader wars that killed millions of innocent peoples, the occupation of the Arab world by the colonial powers, the first and second world wars that killed millions of innocent people, these are all from the west.
Third: The majority of those who have committed crimes in some western cities are, in fact, criminals with criminal precedents and are drug addicted, their crimes are not limited to western cities, but it also includes many Islamic Cities and killed many Muslims. There is a major belief in the Islamic world that these criminals group act in coordination with some western powers!!!, believe it or not.

There are Millions of Christians are living in the Islamic world before and after the beginning of Islam, and they are still living without any problem.
In Islam, and as per the Quran: if anyone killed a person, not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. The Prophet said, “The great sin is to murder a human being".

So, please do not try to be smart when you do not know anything about the subject.

Your first point is correct, Ataturk, who is revered in Turkey, westernised the country, and secularist government is enshrined in it's constitution.
The crusaders responded to islamist forces occupying what had, up until then, been Christian countries, islam came 600 odd years later. The 'Arab world' you refer to was
in the main, occupied by the Ottoman empire, which allied itself with Germany, hence 'The West' invading the area and waging war with it, Turkey was an aggressor,
Britain responded.
Maybe the jihadist scum that enjoy mass murder and mayhem are as you say, drug addicts and most certainly criminals, but everything they do or say is with reference to their faith,
perverted yes, but this perversion of that faith has disturbingly large support, these people are numbered in thousands.

 

[MCFCTrick]

Turkey's in the middle of most Islamic nations. Most of north Africa is west of Turkey!
You do realise that Turkey has been predominantly Islamic for centuries. It's not 'creeping' into Turkey, it's secularism that's been creeping in.

Secularism isn't 'creeping in' .... it came crashing in when Ataturk took control. Sadly it's being eroded away by Erdogan's visions of a more Islamic country ....

Religion kids .... just say no.

 

[BlueHammer85]

200 dead

Seems the coup has not worked so far

 

[FanchesterCity]

Secularism isn't 'creeping in' .... it came crashing in when Ataturk took control. Sadly it's being eroded away by Erdogan's visions of a more Islamic country ....

Religion kids .... just say no.

Almost 100 years later and Turkey is still very much Islamic and its influencing the state still. I'd say the pace of secularism is a 'creeping' one at best. It never came 'crashing in'.

 

[malg]

I see the Thatcher version of Godwin's Law has happened already on here.

 

[crooky]

I think we're just going through a rough time at the moment. It's not like the majority of Islamic people are are Jihadists or even close .

Take a look at the article below. Describes a Muslim man "hugging" a suicide bomber to shop him moving into an area with more people and another one where a Muslim man is defending Christians on a bus against another terrorist.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3293616/na...acrificing-his-life-to-save-dozens-of-others/

I think we need to report these stories more so we don't think that everyone in the Middle East is a lunatic.

 

[FanchesterCity]

That's not true, whilst Turkey has had Islam as its main religion, the Ottoman Empire consisted of many different religions and was rules in a far more secular style than at present.

Secular law didn't come in until the very end of the empire (and even then it was notional rather than practical). What was once a 'Christian' country became predominantly Muslim during the Ottoman reign
The Ottomans did allow Christianity, but they gave Muslims greater rights in law which encouraged many to convert, and there were severe punishments for criticism of Islam (including death).

It's been predominantly Muslim for centuries. Although officially now secular, I'd say progress was 'creeping'. After 100 years, it's still 98% Muslim and it's widely held that state and religion are not as divorced as they ought to be.

 

[mat]

Newt Gingritch calming the situation down by saying all Muslims should be tested and deported if they follow sharia law. FML....

 

[TonyM]

I think we're just going through a rough time at the moment. It's not like the majority of Islamic people are are Jihadists or even close .

Take a look at the article below. Describes a Muslim man "hugging" a suicide bomber to shop him moving into an area with more people and another one where a Muslim man is defending Christians on a bus against another terrorist.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3293616/na...acrificing-his-life-to-save-dozens-of-others/

I think we need to report these stories more so we don't think that everyone in the Middle East is a lunatic.

I have friends from Lebonon and they are the most gentle folk ever. I really believe that most people are kind and good.

We need to find the evil fuckers though and show no mercy. In relation to all extremely murderous crimes though - not only terrorism. That's why I now believe in the death penalty, hard labour in prisons, would consider giving the security forces more power and would be for national service. All things that I'd have been against on principle before I had kids, hit my 40s, lost faith in the EU/politicians and seen the carnage over the past few years.

I just want peace and safety for kids and genuine people. Firstly at home, then in neighboring countries and then around the world.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

well Turkey is fucked. Historians will write for centuries about what Erdogan does next.

 

[The perfect fumble]

To be frank mate i wouldn't have let it go this far in the first place. Maybe it's a good job I'm not in charge but on the other hand, blowing up the entire area years ago would mean some of those little cowardly dipshits were never born. Got no fucking time for it anymore, and it's sad to say.

Old school nonsense....

Curtis LeMay...

"I'll tell you what war is about, you've got to kill people, and when you've killed enough they stop fighting."

"So it doesn't bother me so much to be killing the so-called innocent bystanders."

"we're going to bomb them into the Stone Age."

" look sadly back from the future on that period when we had the atomic bomb and the Russians didn't. Or when the Russians had acquired (through connivance and treachery of Westerns with warped minds) the atomic bomb - and yet still didn't have any stockpile of the weapons. That was the era when we might have destroyed Russia completely and not even skinned our elbows doing it.

 

[bucks]

Ataturk did attempt to bring secularism in. Indeed it was he who decreed that Turkey should use western style script and alphabet instead of Arabic. That in itself was a massive forward looking step.

 

[bucks]

Was Curtis Lemay the General who said about what to do with Germany after WW2,"Hmm, we don't get much trouble from them Carthaginians these days do we?"