Txiki Begiristain

[WRicko]

Fair point, but it was Van Persie who made the difference that season. We definitely wanted him, we should have bullied the rags out of the picture.

Funny how Liverpool are currently happy to collect strikers - they've got five or six in their squad at the moment!

5 or 6 like who

 

[WRicko]

Short term is rarely one year. Nobody any good signs a one rear contract, a team is left with fitting them into a squad and wage bill for longer. Any player signing for Pep needs longer than a year.
Our policy after Aguero was to try and get Kane,failing that our second best option was waiting until a player we felt was suitable long term to becaome available.
This is good policy, bad policy would have been to clog up the squad with the wrong player, somebody like Ings.

1 year is short term I don’t understand what your on about. A player could sign any length of contract and can still be viewed as short term if they only last for a short period of time 12 18 months

 

[blueparrot]

1 year is short term I don’t understand what your on about. A player could sign any length of contract and can still be viewed as short term if they only last for a short period of time 12 18 months

Yes and it’s not something we would or should do. The reason we have had the success over a longer period we have is because we avoided short term signings for short term gain.

 

[WRicko]

Yes and it’s not something we would or should do. The reason we have had the success over a longer period we have is because we avoided short term signings for short term gain.

Sorry your still not making sense what do you mean 1 year is rarely short term ?

I would have thought 1 year is the very definition of short term

 

[Lavinda Past]

5 or 6 like who

Mane, Salah, Diaz, Jota, Origi, Firmino

You surely can't have overlooked them?

Other than Origi, it could be said that they would all have a strong claim to be first choice in almost every PL team, however, most seem to be happy to rotate/come off the bench.

 

[freshie]

5 or 6 like who

Exactly. They’ve got one - Origi. At a push you could argue Firmino is a striker, albeit one that hardly scores these days, but I’d say he’s more of a false 9

 

[blueparrot]

Sorry your still not making sense what do you mean 1 year is rarely short term ?

I would have thought 1 year is the very definition of short term

Because you can’t sign a player as a 1 year stop gap, when the year is up and you bring in the player you really want that player is still an expense in wages, still takes up a squad place. Their fee is still on the accounts for ffp. So while it may be a short term benefit the burden is a longer term problem.
Say we bought Ings a short term solution to not getting Kane it may have helped this season, probably not, but then we’d be stuck with him in the squad for years when we bring in the player we want say Haaland.

 

[WRicko]

Because you can’t sign a player as a 1 year stop gap, when the year is up and you bring in the player you really want that player is still an expense in wages, still takes up a squad place. Their fee is still on the accounts for ffp. So while it may be a short term benefit the burden is a longer term problem.
Say we bought Ings a short term solution to not getting Kane it may have helped this season, probably not, but then we’d be stuck with him in the squad for years when we bring in the player we want say Haaland.

o I agree with all that I just didn’t understand that was what you where Saying you said short term is rarely 1 year I took it too literally for some reason as in one year is not always short term

 

[ws01]

We have unearthed some real bargains since the takeover and before Txiki.
Zaba
Vincent
clichy
Yaya
David
Sergio
Navas?
Dinho

And some dross

Since Txiki we have had bargains.
Bernado
Jesus
Ederson
Z

But no dross.

It's only Grealish for £100 million that stands out and only on the price.

However we still need a left back and a real presence up front.

Both Navas and Dinho were signed under Txiki

 

[Sir peace frog]

txiki is doing a fucking brilliant job, carry on the good work, im not into buying a striker for the sake of it, it has to be a striker who will improve us not one to make the numbers up.

i said it before ,whenever we don't get the result we want this thread always jumps to the top, and that isn't very often.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Both Navas and Dinho were signed under Txiki

and a certain pep guardiola

 

[Phil1]

Some of our fans expect perfection in every role of the club from top to bottom.
Life doesn't quite work like that.
I'll take the next best thing and that's employ the best we possibly can in those roles and see what the end result is.
It's working quite well i think.

 

[East Level 2]

Not signing Van Persie cost us the title in 12/13.. It would have been worth every penny just for that one season.

Would van Persie have come knowing we already had Aguero, Dzeko and Tevez at the club?

 

[Deleted member 87819]

Some meme worthy faces during the UCL draw earlier

 

[East Level 2]

I've always thought we should have signed a top class striker. Whether Kane or A N Other, we were taking a risk going into the season without a recognised striker.

We may yet pay the price.

We didn't need a top class striker. Just someone who could contribute to the system and was a better finisher than our midfielders.

 

[Del_Bosque]

We have unearthed some real bargains since the takeover and before Txiki.
Zaba
Vincent
clichy
Yaya
David
Sergio
Navas?
Dinho

And some dross

Since Txiki we have had bargains.
Bernado
Jesus
Ederson
Z

But no dross.

It's only Grealish for £100 million that stands out and only on the price.

However we still need a left back and a real presence up front.

Granted we've had a lot of hits recently, but no dross?

Jovetic
Cabelerro
Demechellis
Mangala
Bony
Fernando
Navas
Sagna
Nolito
Bravo

All signed under Txiki and range from "meh" to "are we caught up in a ponzi scheme or something"

 

[blueparrot]

We didn't need a top class striker. Just someone who could contribute to the system and was a better finisher than our midfielders.

Players that can do both to a high enough standard are very rare, Kane was one. With no Kane we were better waiting for the right player not a stop gap. Which is what we have done, and will be better for it.

 

[Silvatoure21]

and a certain pep guardiola

Navas was bought under pellegrini

 

[blueparrot]

Granted we've had a lot of hits recently, but no dross?

Jovetic
Cabelerro
Demechellis
Mangala
Bony
Fernando
Navas
Sagna
Nolito
Bravo

All signed under Txiki and range from "meh" to "are we caught up in a ponzi scheme or something"

Were they all Txiki signings ? and weren't all bad signings. Demechelis was a very good signing. Mangala and Bony the only bad signings there for me.

 

[BillyShears]

Were they all Txiki signings ? and weren't all bad signings. Demechelis was a very good signing. Mangala and Bony the only bad signings there for me.

There's something that list of players have in common which is rarely spoken about in these discussions. City were under investigations/sanctions during that period due to FFP. The club had to actively cut their cloth accordingly in terms of fees and wages spent.

The onset of that investigation coincided with Mancini's title winning summer and it was made crystal clear to everyone involved that we would have to sell to buy. I appreciate that to some children on the internet Bobby slamming his fist on a table and saying "get me Van Persie and De Rossi" was enough, but for the very smart people who run the club, they had a longer term view of how to deal with their investments.

Anyway all's well, that ends well. It is really bizarre to think that we can be the envy of the footballing world and yet simultaneously Bluemoon's greatest minds have decreed that they know how to do it better. Funny shit.