UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

[Bigga]

Mass cannot travel faster than the speed of light. That’s the same everywhere. The stuff you talk about were achievable. Light speed isn’t for mass.

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, you cannot travel faster than the speed of light because as you approach the speed of light, your mass increases infinitely, meaning it would require an infinite amount of energy to accelerate further, making it physically Impossible. For any being who has mass.

The really interesting thing about these 'theories' is that they're based on Human mathematical projections and current understanding of what they see around them until they are shown more.

It's a bit like the existence of other planets only becoming clearer once there was more data to work with. Otherwise the brain could and would only work within a certain perview.

So, to say "mass cannot travel faster than the speed of light" is not to say is false, but it's only a Human's working theory and we cannot extrapolate that to a vast universe of untapped knowledge.

 

[Bigga]

It is the 'according to... theory' that is the pertinent point there. Yes, of course within the current understanding of the theory we have to date (formed within only the last 100 odd years) it is not possible. That theory superceeded another and may well in time be replaced with a more encompassing one.


It is really not that wild a concept, and it is the whole principle that science as a field is based on. That there is always more to learn and discover and that we don't just stop at an arbitrary point. There have been and will be challenges to that or any other theory. Some will be credible, some not, some will take decades if not centuries to form to a workable point.

I made a comment above just based on jumping in at a point of pages on the thread.

If I'd have read on I wouldn't have posted what I did as you have stated my own thoughts on the current science that Humans are fixated on.

 

[Magicpole]

The really interesting thing about these 'theories' is that they're based on Human mathematical projections and current understanding of what they see around them until they are shown more.

It's a bit like the existence of other planets only becoming clearer once there was more data to work with. Otherwise the brain could and would only work within a certain perview.

So, to say "mass cannot travel faster than the speed of light" is not to say is false, but it's only a Human's working theory and we cannot extrapolate that to a vast universe of untapped knowledge.

Not really. You seem to be under the false impression that because another species of life might be millions of light years away, that the physics we discovered somehow doesn’t apply to them. That’s irrational. The laws of the universe apply in every part of it. No Mass can travel faster than light for the reasons I quoted. Now you may want to believe in wormholes, faster than the speed of light travel. Crack on. But it’s pish. And not theoretical pish, actual, yellow, stinky, pish. I know it’s not as exciting, and can be in fact disappointing, especially to those alien visiting us wankers. But, science doesn’t give a single fuck how any of us feel.

 

[Big mals fedora]

Not really. You seem to be under the false impression that because another species of life might be millions of light years away, that the physics we discovered somehow doesn’t apply to them. That’s irrational. The laws of the universe apply in every part of it. No Mass can travel faster than light for the reasons I quoted. Now you may want to believe in wormholes, faster than the speed of light travel. Crack on. But it’s pish. And not theoretical pish, actual, yellow, stinky, pish. I know it’s not as exciting, and can be in fact disappointing, especially to those alien visiting us wankers. But, science doesn’t give a single fuck how any of us feel.

I like u as a poster Mp, ur ok for a sweaty. But I think you’re wide of the mark here. You keep saying it’s not possible due to the laws of physics, but it’s only our knowledge. There is so much more to learn, so much that it’s probably not possible to learn it all. Might be wishful thinking on my part, as I’d love extraterrestrials to make themselves known, but I like to believe!!!

 

[Bigga]

Not really. You seem to be under the false impression that because another species of life might be millions of light years away, that the physics we discovered somehow doesn’t apply to them. That’s irrational. The laws of the universe apply in every part of it. No Mass can travel faster than light for the reasons I quoted. Now you may want to believe in wormholes, faster than the speed of light travel. Crack on. But it’s pish. And not theoretical pish, actual, yellow, stinky, pish. I know it’s not as exciting, and can be in fact disappointing, especially to those alien visiting us wankers. But, science doesn’t give a single fuck how any of us feel.

Mm...

"Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence. Scientific methodology includes the following: Objective observation: Measurement and data (possibly although not necessarily using mathematics as a tool)"

"Evidence is factual information that supports a claim or belief. It can be used to inform decision making and prove whether something is true or not. Evidence can be presented in many forms, including facts, information, documentation, or examples"

So, to me, we haven't had any evidence of mass and the speed of light and how that works in other parts of the universe. You're under the assumption that we have all the elements of metals, chemicals and other elements on our planet. The Hubble telescope already shows us billions of stars, when it's quite likely there are trillions. The random binding of other elements are likely to create life, substances and metals we are oblivious to.

We don't have access to those "facts", therefore we can only assume our own understanding of what is around us. The understanding of maths and theories change over time, all the time.

Existence in life form and knowledge is not solely Human's privilege to me and we can only work with what we know about.

Our maths and science is OUR maths and science only.

 

[Magicpole]

Mm...

"Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence. Scientific methodology includes the following: Objective observation: Measurement and data (possibly although not necessarily using mathematics as a tool)"

"Evidence is factual information that supports a claim or belief. It can be used to inform decision making and prove whether something is true or not. Evidence can be presented in many forms, including facts, information, documentation, or examples"

So, to me, we haven't had any evidence of mass and the speed of light and how that works in other parts of the universe. You're under the assumption that we have all the elements of metals, chemicals and other elements on our planet. The Hubble telescope already shows us billions of stars, when it's quite likely there are trillions. The random binding of other elements are likely to create life, substances and metals we are oblivious to.

We don't have access to those "facts", therefore we can only assume our own understanding of what is around us. The understanding of maths and theories change over time, all the time.

Existence in life form and knowledge is not solely Human's privilege to me and we can only work with what we know about.

Our maths and science is OUR maths and science only.

I’m out. It’s like debating an evangelical Christian, dogma and personal beliefs trump reality. Enjoy your delusion that suits how you want things to be.

 

[Coatigan]

Not really. You seem to be under the false impression that because another species of life might be millions of light years away, that the physics we discovered somehow doesn’t apply to them. That’s irrational. The laws of the universe apply in every part of it. No Mass can travel faster than light for the reasons I quoted. Now you may want to believe in wormholes, faster than the speed of light travel. Crack on. But it’s pish. And not theoretical pish, actual, yellow, stinky, pish. I know it’s not as exciting, and can be in fact disappointing, especially to those alien visiting us wankers. But, science doesn’t give a single fuck how any of us feel.

Don't think that is what is being suggested.

But rather that the physics we have discovered to date, may not be the end of physics. Elsewhere, or here.

If there are indeed species out there they may have had more time to uncover more, more intelligence, better circumstances. Or may yet do so. And there is nothing to say we may not yet ourselves one day superceed current theories and understandings of physics. Which is why we as a species still continue to investigate and study things, we have not just closed all labs and research facilities etc.

We also seem to be talking completely different timeframes here btw, you seem to be looking at it only through the prism of a human lifetime.

 

[Magicpole]

Whatever. It’s pointless.

Don't think that is what is being suggested.

But rather that the physics we have discovered to date, may not be the end of physics. Elsewhere, or here.

If there are indeed species out there they may have had more time to uncover more, more intelligence, better circumstances. Or may yet do so. And there is nothing to say we may not yet ourselves one day superceed current theories and understandings of physics. Which is why we as a species still continue to investigate and study things, we have not just closed all labs and research facilities etc.

We also seem to be talking completely different timeframes here btw, you seem to be looking at it only through the prism of a human lifetime.

 

[Coatigan]

Whatever. It’s pointless.

This whole thread is pointless.

Yet here we both are.

My saying it on here, sure, pretty pointless.

As a principle though, far from it, and that's what science as a whole has always been and always will be based on.

 

[Blue Bogey]

Whatever. It’s pointless.

Have you watched Skinwalker ranch? In the most recent series they discovered what looks like a portal (wormhole) that opens up on the ranch. They did scans which actually seem to show physical evidence of what may be a portal. Far fetched…judge for yourself.

The show is lead by Travis Taylor who is an engineer and best-selling author who holds PhDs in Optical Science and Engineering, Aerospace Systems Engineering, and master's degrees in Physics and Astronomy.