UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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Good post, and it raises an interesting question I've always wanted to ask a US based journalist.

I'm talking with broad strokes here, but please try to see the logic in my question.

Broadly speaking, I would say with mainstream politics, the US is to the right of the UK.

Of course there are exceptions, but broadly speaking the Dems are to the right of Labour and GOP to the right of the Tories.

But the trends with our media are the exact opposite.

The UK press is overwhelmingly positioned to the right of the US media.

The UK mainstream media is dominated by the right-wing; the Mail, Sun, Telegraph, ITV, Sky News etc.

But the US media is generally dominated by the left - NYT, Washington Post, NBC, CNN etc.

What would you put that down to?

Surely, logic would suggest MSM would cater to the political persuasions of its market?

This may have been correct 20 years ago (pre-internet), but media watchers now estimate that 80% of UK citizens' news comes form the all powerful (extremely left wing) BBC, through its web site, magazines, radio stations and TV channels. The print media may be right wing but the print media's influence is no longer as significant as you seem to think.
 
That’s where their argument will ultimately fall down the original premise of FFP was to stop clubs borrowing recklessly and distorting the football industry on the basis of debt. There are numerous examples of this. With our owners all the investment has been equity based and results in almost zero debt. The elite clubs didn’t like this so they have created an anti-competition cartel that effectively outlaws equity investment- or certainly restricts it. That is in conflict with a whole range of EU directives including the Treaty of Rome that the whole premise of the EU is founded upon. The problem of course is that UEFA are not a nation state and have sat themselves in Switzerland but I still think they’ll find it difficult to defend what effectively is a restrictive practice in terms of FFP in any court or tribunal and our best defence might be to refuse any deals this time around and threaten to bring the whole house of cards down - you can be pretty certain UEFA will blink first; and we can put ourselves in a very powerful position going forward when we’ve got them by the balls.
The fact that they are in Switzerland won't help them with EU law. The commission looks at activities that take place in the EU irrespective of where the HQ is. Remember Blatter saying FIFA is bigger than the EU? Doesn't stop EU enforcing laws on its own territory. The Commission might, however, take the view that ffp is a private voluntary agreement between clubs.
 


This did make me laugh.

Does this mean we're on for an Octuple, or is it just a double quadruple?
 
I kinda wish there wouldnt be so much stress between UAE and Qatar and somehow the two countries could work together as joint forces regarding FFP PSG and City...
Yeah me too but the UAE is the woman little sibling of the worst regime around in the KSA.
 
Yes, there is. I'd agree that our lawyers in any hypothetical CIS case would fancy their chances of having hacked emails excluded, but they might have to argue the point. I just wanted to say that it's too simplistic to argue that if evidence is illegal, CIS will never entertain it (I know you didn't say that but some people have).

Looked at in a binary way, I would be confident in the outcome of a legal case. It’s just those grey areas - the known unknowns as you allude to.

Other clubs don’t like us being the smartest guys in the room and can probably see what a fabulous construct of an organisation we are building.

Paradoxically, IMHO, the reason we’re under attack - our clever and innovative approach ( they laughed at ‘holistic’ ) - is our greatest strength.
 
Good post, and it raises an interesting question I've always wanted to ask a US based journalist.

I'm talking with broad strokes here, but please try to see the logic in my question.

Broadly speaking, I would say with mainstream politics, the US is to the right of the UK.

Of course there are exceptions, but broadly speaking the Dems are to the right of Labour and GOP to the right of the Tories.

But the trends with our media are the exact opposite.

The UK press is overwhelmingly positioned to the right of the US media.

The UK mainstream media is dominated by the right-wing; the Mail, Sun, Telegraph, ITV, Sky News etc.

But the US media is generally dominated by the left - NYT, Washington Post, NBC, CNN etc.

What would you put that down to?

Surely, logic would suggest MSM would cater to the political persuasions of its market?

Well, I'm not a journalist any more! I work in finance now, though I do lots of interviews with media (largely the business press).

All of what you say is I think correct, big picture. And I don't know for sure the cause. But . . .

The single most important event in US journalistic history over the last 50 years was the Washington Post's exposure of Watergate. The NYT, LA Times and Time magazine -- among others -- deserve credit too, and when Walter Cronkite at CBS blessed the story by featuring it prominently later during the investigation (and he was certainly not perceived as liberal, nor was CBS), he elevated it, followed by the coverage of the Watergate hearings live. It took TV to turn the tide of US sentiment against Nixon, but it was the Post that did the first digging, and the heavy lifting.

Bob Woodward (who was a Republican but didn't vote for Nixon), Carl Bernstein (an unabashed counter-culture liberal), editor Ben Bradlee (a friend of JFK and a Democrat) and Katherine Graham (the owner of the Post, and an upper crust conservative who was friends with a number of government officials in the Nixon White House) -- all became folk heroes -- especially Woodward and Bernstein, and especially after All the President's Men, which was about the journalistic process as much as the story itself.

But because the Nixon administration painted the Post as a tool of the hysterical left -- much as Trump has done the MSM -- and because the Post were vindicated, and clearly were instrumental in bringing down the presidency -- print journalism in America I think became a field that left-leaning change agents flocked to over a long time. It was a place where you could be a hero or heroine. We should add the break in values during the 60s and 70s over Vietnam too (largely a TV story) -- again an example of exposing the American public to the realities of a modern war supported by conservative doctrine which helped spark new liberalism, and made TV its tool (or vice versa maybe).

I have some other thoughts on the British press mission being to protect the glory days of England's English-ness, which is a conservative trope, but they are half-baked.
 
And his mate Syed is being a bit bitchy as well. Does make you wonder if there's an agenda or if someone is yanking their chains.

Syed? I find that so very hard to believe!
I see that Conn has said his piece in the Guardian, raising whether Sheikh M had said something about not extending sponsorships at the end. Only skimmed it.
 
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