UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[CC1]

Would the 2 year ban still apply if no games are played? If so we need to stop that appeal pronto.

Only if it was Dipperpool

 

[nmc]

For me the list would read:

1. United
2. Liverpool
3. Bayern
4. Real Madrid
5. Milan
6. Juventus

I have no particular antagonism towards Inter, Barca, Atletico, Napoli, Dortmund, etc.

Just to point out Barca never miss an opportunity to put the knife into us.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Some football clubs will not survive the corona virus pandemic. The longer it goes on the greater the number of clubs which will not survive it and more and more the talk is not of "getting back to normal" but of having to come to terms with "a new normal". No-one knows what the consequences of this "new normal will be for our way of life and for a sport which depends on thousands of people coming together in a stadium we can't begin to imagine. Club revenues may take a very long time indeed to reach pre-pandemic levels, if they ever do. Clubs at every level are going to require owners and shareholders to put money into their club not only to maintain their status but simply to survive. UEFA's attempt to control the finances of clubs the length and breadth of Europe will stop being simply ridiculous and ignorant and will be ignorant and a dangerous existential threat, especially if it is applied inconsistently to suit the interests of a few clubs. In an extreme case, the cartel will not be threatening to break away, UEFA will be trying to persuade every other club to stay. The decision of West Ham's shareholders to put £30 million into the club is the first sign that some club owners will do what is necessary to support their club without waiting for vague details of UEFA's "relaxation of the rules" and if UEFA tries to do anything about it half the league at least will join us in court to stuff them.

I wouldn't bet on that mate. Many english clubs will vote against their own interests in order to protect their masters, the old elite

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I wouldn't bet on that mate. Many english clubs will vote against their own interests in order to protect their masters, the old elite

Some of them just like to feel part of the gang and cling on to the idea they are big clubs - villa recently, and Everton back at the formation of the PL spring to mind.

 

[give it to gordon]

surely the longer this goes on, the more unreasonable it becomes in not allowing the owner of a club to use his/her own money to keep his/her own club/business afloat. How can that be wrong ? I own a club and I wont allow it to go broke , oh hang on I cant save my club thanks to UEFA FFP ! even thought I have the funds to save it !

 

[Shaggy]

The vile clubs

Arsenal
Burnley
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man U
Spurs
Wolves
Bayern
Dortmund
Laverkusen
Ajax
PSV
Inter
Juve
Milan
Napoli
Atletico Madrid
Barca
Real Madrid
Valencia
Lyon
Marseille
PSG
Porto

 

[andyhinch]

The vile clubs

Arsenal
Burnley
Chelsea
Liverpool
Man U
Spurs
Wolves
Bayern
Dortmund
Laverkusen
Ajax
PSV
Inter
Juve
Milan
Napoli
Atletico Madrid
Barca
Real Madrid
Valencia
Lyon
Marseille
PSG
Porto

You missed off dirty Leeds @jimharri have a word.

 

[jimharri]

You missed off dirty Leeds @jimharri have a word.

He'll be getting pm'ed as to his future conduct. Definitely one to keep tabs on.

 

[KS55]

surely the longer this goes on, the more unreasonable it becomes in not allowing the owner of a club to use his/her own money to keep his/her own club/business afloat. How can that be wrong ? I own a club and I wont allow it to go broke , oh hang on I cant save my club thanks to UEFA FFP ! even thought I have the funds to save it !

If FFP Rules are not relaxed, owners will be perfectly free to save their own clubs but will be banned from UEFA comps for a while. So what?

 

[Grassland Blue]

surely the longer this goes on, the more unreasonable it becomes in not allowing the owner of a club to use his/her own money to keep his/her own club/business afloat. How can that be wrong ? I own a club and I wont allow it to go broke , oh hang on I cant save my club thanks to UEFA FFP ! even thought I have the funds to save it !

This post nails it.
In my opinion, the only reason that FFP exists in its' current guise is to prevent 'upstart' clubs competing with the establishment and even if said 'upstart' clubs were to fold (even if their owners had plenty of cash in hand to save them) the establishment would only pay lip service to those clubs demise. I feel that privately they would be celebrating the weakening/demise of another potential challenger.
As an example of this I would suggest you take a look at Stoke City. They have a wealthy sponsor who is prepared to put money into the club, yet isn't able to do so.

 

[Grassland Blue]

surely the longer this goes on, the more unreasonable it becomes in not allowing the owner of a club to use his/her own money to keep his/her own club/business afloat. How can that be wrong ? I own a club and I wont allow it to go broke , oh hang on I cant save my club thanks to UEFA FFP ! even thought I have the funds to save it !

This post nails it.
In my opinion, the only reason that FFP exists in its' current guise is to prevent 'upstart' clubs competing with the establishment and even if said 'upstart' clubs were to fold (even if their owners had plenty of cash in hand to save them) the establishment would only pay lip service to those clubs demise. I feel that privately they would be celebrating the weakening/demise of another potential challenger.

 

[Shirley]

It's all about being backed by a sovereign state with untold wealth, that's not fair in the football world.
We need to show we are not.

 

[KS55]

It's all about being backed by a sovereign state with untold wealth, that's not fair in the football world.
We need to show we are not.

CFG and MCFC both companes registered in uk. Anybody can look up the documentation which includes a full list of shareholders, directors etc.
Our haters and enemies ignore the facts as it is convenient for their propaganda. If their nonsense damages us, we should sue, but I guess this goes against the owners' grain.
The time of reckoning may be at hand.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

CFG and MCFC both companes registered in uk. Anybody can look up the documentation which includes a full list of shareholders, directors etc.
Our haters and enemies ignore the facts as it is convenient for their propaganda. If their nonsense damages us, we should sue, but I guess this goes against the owners' grain.
The time of reckoning may be at hand.

CFG have just published their 2019 accounts and, without any external financing, showed a huge amount of cash generated just from operations. It was in excess of £150m and pretty well all of that would have been ours (i.e. City's). Not one penny introduced by ADUG or anyone else.

 

[Centurions]

surely the longer this goes on, the more unreasonable it becomes in not allowing the owner of a club to use his/her own money to keep his/her own club/business afloat. How can that be wrong ? I own a club and I wont allow it to go broke , oh hang on I cant save my club thanks to UEFA FFP ! even thought I have the funds to save it !

The only clubs that should be allowed to invest owners money are those with large debts, the well run clubs obviously don't need the help.

 

[KS55]

The only clubs that should be allowed to invest owners money are those with large debts, the well run clubs obviously don't need the help.

You obviously have advance warning of UEFA's policy.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

A drowning man will clutch at a serpent, and if a board of directors is faced with a club going bust because its income has fallen to zero and its outgoings are almost unchanged they will take bank loans, interest free loans from owners and investment from owners (if they can get it). If they save the club UEFA would be powerless to do anything about it. What argument could it bring forward to show that such actions were a threat to the club?! The argument that the club is putting itself in an advantageous position is not admissible in law because that is the whole point of investment - to improve one's position by increasing competitivity! This is a lesson City may well teach UEFA, but no court anywhere would rule that clubs must go out of business rather than break FFP. The difference is that spurious arguments are possible in City's case - that City are rich and this makes it harder for other clubs to compete - but the corona virus crisis shows unequivocally that FFP poses an existential threat to clubs, whether it be UEFA's version, the PL's or anyone else's because "fair play" is a sporting concept and "investment" is an economic one. There is no "fair" level of investment.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Any of the G14. I particularly dislike RM and Bayern though.

Yep, those 2 are at the top of my list as well

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

That twat Ceferin has gone very quiet.
Isn't he supposed to be making some forms of statement regarding the utter worthlessness of FfP in times of crisis like these and that everyone can forget about it for the time being!
Or would that be the death of it.
Add to that later this year he's going to stand before (give evidence) to CAS about what a fabulous tool for governing owner investment it is!
The whole thing is a fucking sham.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That twat Ceferin has gone very quiet.
Isn't he supposed to be making some forms of statement regarding the utter worthlessness of FfP in times of crisis like these and that everyone can forget about it for the time being!
Or would that be the death of it.
Add to that later this year he's going to stand before (give evidence) to CAS about what a fabulous tool for governing owner investment it is!
The whole thing is a fucking sham.

Ceferin and Connjob have both gone quiet for the time being after taking great delight in sharing before and after stats on improved financial stability of Clubs after FFP. I’ve never seen them mention that income prior to FFP might have been suppressed by the last global financial crisis. Nor am I expecting them to avoid mentioning the latest economic crisis as Club’s finances suffer. FFP won’t turn out to be the panacea UEFA claim.