UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BLUEMATT23]

Less than 50% in the poll think City will be exonerated. Thats not exactly very confident.

Sorry meant we as In the club not this forum
Sorriano and co.

 

[chesterbells]

We seem very confident of being exonerated, we will look a bit silly if we dont overturn it.
Cant help but think it's going to be 1 year halfway house compromise.

You’d describe that as a compromise, I’d call it defeat.

 

[blueparrot]

In what regards to not going after Liverpool if we win against UEFA ?

We are led to believe that our club has done some digging which was supposedly meant to have been drip fed into the media until the covid outbreak - why do you feel that would change ?

Even if we win we should not let those that initiated and wanted to bring us down getaway with any of it

Feeding the media isn’t the same as us taking any action against anybody.Once its in the open it’s up to others to take any action with it or not.

 

[nmc]

Less than 50% in the poll think City will be exonerated. Thats not exactly very confident.

Most City fans would hedge their bets until about 09:30pm on the prospect of it getting dark tonight!

 

[SilverFox2]

Less than 50% in the poll think City will be exonerated. Thats not exactly very confident.

Sounds a bit like the chances of the real City turning up for any match.
As an older than most City fan I am still expecting the unexpected from City and in this case its management despite them being the best we have ever had.

As my dad told me years ago, its character building supporting City. He didn't tell me it lasted a lifetime though.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

I never said we wouldn't brief media, play the "game", be competitive etc. I said we would not be instituting legal proceedings.

All our competitors want to "bring us down". We want to bring down all our competitors. Its sport, its business. Thats life.

Of course, you are entitled to disagree. My view is as set out above.

Sorry, didn't realise you meant legal proceedings - I misread it

 

[FootballSense]

Less than 50% in the poll think City will be exonerated. Thats not exactly very confident.

I appreciate some of the very valid opinions you have given on this subject.

However, what this small poll comes out with or not is irrelevant.

Most were very confident going into the Wigan FA Cup Final but we lost. Most were not very confident going into the Munich 50 years Anniversary at The Swamp when the world and his cousin were encouraging a home victory yet CITY won away for the first time since I was there in 1974.

The fact is we do not know and all this speculation is just that.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

You’d describe that as a compromise, I’d call it defeat.

Not sure - often in these cases theirs an impasse and disagreements and thus no one can decide for sure.
Be amazed if it's anything different than 1 year reduced but here's hoping hey

 

[Newman Noggs]

In what regards to not going after Liverpool if we win against UEFA ?

We are led to believe that our club has done some digging which was supposedly meant to have been drip fed into the media until the covid outbreak - why do you feel that would change ?

Even if we win we should not let those that initiated and wanted to bring us down getaway with any of it

Positions are so entrenched by now that there is nothing to be gained by extended Court proceedings. All it would do is enable our host of enemies to pore over every detail of our case trying to find more reasons, no matter how trivial or dubious, to extend the smear campaign. It simply wouldn't be worth it.

A robust Judgment in our favour, though, would, at least, make our critics a little more circumspect in their insinuations.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Even if CAs come out with the verdict that we are not guilty on all charges. The damage done by UEFA and the G14 group of clubs will take a lot of undoing. The only way to do that is to take the lot of them to court. To and to sue them for either slander/libel or maybe even both. We should also charge UEFA for adding and abetting a crime namely that of hacking our system. The same would apply to Der Spiegel. As the offence happen in the United Kingdom the laws of this country should apply.

The board should start now to issue summons to the full board of Der Spiegel + it's owners of the impending trial. At once, the moment CAS find us not guilty on all charges. That we will be seeking substantial damages + costs. It has to be substantial to put of any other newspapers or journos from printing something that they know is far from true. Any decent journo/s should not be printing anything without a proper investigation.

If the hacked emails have been used, charge them with receiving/passing on stolen goods.

 

[chesterbells]

Not sure - often in these cases theirs an impasse and disagreements and thus no one can decide for sure.
Be amazed if it's anything different than 1 year reduced but here's hoping hey

Well I hope you’re amazed then. Be positive mate!

 

[Paladin]

If the hacked emails have been used, charge them with receiving/passing on stolen goods.

Charge the journalists with stealing a living.

 

[BLUEMATT23]

Well I hope you’re amazed then. Be positive mate!

Enough about miserable old me, what's your thoughts?

 

[slbsn]

I think City are probably really feeling about 60%-65% confident of winning at CAS. No such process is guaranteed and even the best cases can lose. I'd say few cases have better than 70% certainty. The club are obviously not super confident because you can see how little we are doing in the transfer market - Chilwell is a perfect example. I think we will be very cautious until we have more certainty on the situation.

But likewise, I believe they are confident in the strength of their defence - the public statements are very bold and it seems inconceivable that Silverlake didn't get sight of a very strong legal opinion in advance of its investment. In fact its probable that CFG had to agree to a clause in the investment agreement that CFG had complied with laws, regulations etc. On the flipside, this probably also means that it is exposed to a sizeable claim (known as a warranty claim) from Silverlake in the event it is found to have breached by CAS.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

You need a lie down. This is bonkers.

I like the leap that CAS overturning UEFA's case disproves that the Spiegel leaks were correct.

It doesn't, it proves that UEFA's case isn't very good.

 

[slbsn]

I appreciate some of the very valid opinions you have given on this subject.

However, what this small poll comes out with or not is irrelevant.

Most were very confident going into the Wigan FA Cup Final but we lost. Most were not very confident going into the Munich 50 years Anniversary at The Swamp when the world and his cousin were encouraging a home victory yet CITY won away for the first time since I was there in 1974.

The fact is we do not know and all this speculation is just that.

Simply making the point that people aren't that confident of exoneration. I think the poll is probably a decent reflection of how people feel. Of course the poll is 100% irrelevant to the outcome.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Less than 50% in the poll think City will be exonerated. Thats not exactly very confident.

For city fans that is supremely confident ;-)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I've thought long and hard about this for a while and like others am nervous of the outcome as these bastards want to get us but - I keep asking myself the "So What question"
- We have not committed a crime - we have most likely played a system
- Damage is already done - we are referred to as the Cheats by others - fuck them I don't care
- Juventus and others have cheated and been done - nobody cares

I have no doubt that if we are charged either by UEFA or even if the Premier League and the FA think about charging us, there will be a massive Firestorm from the owners of City onto not just the Premier League & UEFA but also maybe some political pressure as we probably have a vested interest in not just the UK but also in Europe.

Being guilty will totally be the wrong message for Abu Dhabi - they won't like that, so expect this to go to the highest courts

They would try to hand every trophy we have won during the last decade to the runner-up if they get their way.

 

[Tb1981]

They would try to hand every trophy we have won during the last decade to the runner-up if they get their way.

No they wouldn’t
Just the ones where dippers and rags were runners up
Let’s not pretend anyone cares about Sunderland stoke villa Chelsea Watford or Arsenal!!
It’s all about the ‘big’ two
Oh and miguel de looney can have the man of the match awards
If he’s not too busy eating our food in the loo while no one can see

 

[pavelsrnicek]

I think City are probably really feeling about 60%-65% confident of winning at CAS. No such process is guaranteed and even the best cases can lose. I'd say few cases have better than 70% certainty. The club are obviously not super confident because you can see how little we are doing in the transfer market - Chilwell is a perfect example. I think we will be very cautious until we have more certainty on the situation.

But likewise, I believe they are confident in the strength of their defence - the public statements are very bold and it seems inconceivable that Silverlake didn't get sight of a very strong legal opinion in advance of its investment. In fact its probable that CFG had to agree to a clause in the investment agreement that CFG had complied with laws, regulations etc. On the flipside, this probably also means that it is exposed to a sizeable claim (known as a warranty claim) from Silverlake in the event it is found to have breached by CAS.

There will be no doubt some interesting items in City’s disclosures in Silverlake deal.

One thing on transfers I would say it’s not just a case that we are being cautious on transfers, players will hold off joining until they know what happens with our appeal.