UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Marvin]

hows about this thought,
UEFA are being used by the dirty dozen clubs who actually rule European football, they've set UEFA on us knowing weve done no wrong so will lose, sue UEFA they go bankrupt ,then the dirty dozen set up their own superleague and blame us ,


fuck this conspiracy theory has gone to my head :)

UEFA may well be destroyed. If they are shown to be prejudicial then their already questionable authority will evaporate and they will be financially liable for heavy damages.

So far all that has been aired in the media are allegations against Man City whereas City have a body of evidence that has so far remained closed. PB's report is very newsworthy. Are any journalists going to examine that? Are any of them going to look at the bigger picture of the rivalry in football that underlies FFP and this dispute? This is not about Man City misdemeanours. The football authorities have I believe been corralled by the likes of Tebas and profit hungry football executives from rival clubs.

I think UEFA tried to reach an accommodation with City, but City refused to take another pinch, so the whole thing is going to end up in the European courts and it will end with the destruction of UEFA.

 

[fulabeer]

Talk of giving up on football if we are banned or have points deductions is fucking childish!

Football always has, is and will be bent. NOTHING has or will change.
So instead of looking at this as something you need to personally get upset about...DON'T!

Life is about ups and downs.We have had a fantastic decade. My dearly departed dad (2002) just wouldn't believe where we are now. (either do i to be honest!)
I think people should try to see this mess as all part of the fun. Other clubs have been penalised for wrong doing, with their fan base having to suffer.

I think people here were already down, due to our poor season in the league. (and LiVARpool's brilliant run)
So instead of being irritated/annoyed by an obvious attempt by the authorities to stop us, people are giving into despair.
No matter what they do, we will be back better and stronger for it.

So i'm saying now "Stop it". Get your mojo back. Get behind the team and club. Our owners are fighting this. We need help them fight this.
This is probably the only time we can truly "support" the team and club. (when they need us the most)

CTID

 

[FrankSwift1]

Well, not taking material and valid evidence into account is about as serious a breach of legal procedure as there can be.

So following correct procedure means giving the accused a chance to defend themselves and judging the defence evidence fairly and on its merits. Also justifying their reasoning in a consistent manner?

So that means CAS will look at out evidence and not just the procedure of the case? So for example if UEFA followed all correct procedure but didnt come to a reasonable and fair judgement it would be overturned?

 

[give it to gordon]

Talk of giving up on football if we are banned or have points deductions is fucking childish!

Football always has, is and will be bent. NOTHING will change.
So instead of looking at this as something you need to personally get upset about...DON'T!

Life is about ups and downs.We have had a fantastic decade. My dearly departed dad (2002) just wouldn't believe where we are now. (either do i to be honest!)
I think people should try to see this mess as all part of the fun. Other clubs have been penalised for wrong doing, with their fan base having to suffer.

I think people here were already down, due to our poor season in the league. (and LiVARpool's brilliant run)
So instead of being irritated/annoyed by the obvious attempt by the authorities to stop us, people are giving into despair.
No matter what they do, we will be back better and stronger for it.

So i'm saying now "Stop it". Get your mojo back. Get behind the team and club. Our owners are fighting this. We need help them fight this.
This is probably the only time we can truly "support" the team and club. (when they need us the most)

CTID

good post

 

[CC1]

I think as fans we need a big statement from the chairman and Pep, telling us what they are going to do moving forward, and it would be nice to here from players, being honest about there future are they with us or not.

Do be serious. The club will now remain silent until the case is heard. The priority is to win the case - not show our hand to keep fans happy !!

 

[bewildered]

Personally, I think it's perfectly plausible that the people involved in this particular conversation COULD have referred to Sheikh Mansour simply as HH. After all, I don't think SM himself was cc'd and it certainly wasn't intended for wider distribution. So, I don't think it's as simple as just saying HH can't possibly be Sheikh Mansour.

But, obviously, HH doesn't mean it MUST be Sheikh Mansour. It could just as plausibly refer to any number of people as we don't know the context in which this conversation took place. The participants will have all been in no doubt who it referred to.

Either way, this case isn't going to suddenly flip by City simply saying "By the way, HH is Sheikh Mohamed not Sheikh Mansour." I would imagine they're going to have to prove it.

That may be the case but the OpenSkies document clearly shows that the HH that pony'ed up the cash to support Etihads sponsorship deal with City wasn't HH SM.

Thats the key thing, UEFA case is saying that HHSM routed funds into City via Etihad, that is clearly shown not to be the case.

The quite funny thing is that the thing that exonerates City is the very accusation, recorded in a legal context in contemporary timeframe against Etihad by a cartel of US Air Carriers!

The numbers involved are mind boggling and make our scuffle with UEFA look a bit trivial in comparison.

 

[city2]

Have we officially appealed this yet.

 

[sir baconface]

All this talk of someone paying someone some money than that someone paying someone else the same amount, how can they prove that the said amount paid to someone is the same money that than someone used to pay someone else. The money someone paid to someone first might have been used to pay maintenance cost on aeroplanes. It just a coincidence that than the someone than paid someone else the same in sponsorship. But the money given to the sponsor by someones else wasnt used to sponsor someone else but used to pay maintenance Bill's.......the money for the sponsorship came from money they already had !!.simple

Would you perchance put your name forward for inclusion on the CAS panel?
:)

 

[manimanc]

Apologies 'tidds' for nicking it.

 

[Gordyola]

If this is correct, and this is where I am confused, why are some City fans saying the hacked email can show us to be guilty because we are confirming what UEFA think and that Sheikh Mansour paid the sponsorship monies directly. This isn't what I understand the email to be saying

Its clear that Der Spiegel when they analyzed the hacked emails and UEFA using DS interpretation have attributed the term His Highness to mean HH Sheikh Mansour

"The remaining 12 million GBP requirement will come from alternative sources provided by His Highness."
With just a single sentence, Pearce confirmed the accusations that his club had repeatedly, indignantly rejected: Namely, that His Highness, Sheikh Mansour, paid a portion of the sponsoring money himself!

Posters experienced in UAE protocol have confirmed that HH is ONLY ever used when referring to UAE President HH Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, other members of the royal family are only referred to as HH + name