UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Parisian]

The more i read about, the more I think CAS will drop UEFA's case. There's definitely an element of corruption and external pressure from the elite clubs hiearchy at UEFA to go witch hunting for us and PSG, which is why Financial Fair Play got invented from the beginning. However PSG managed to make a deal with UEFA given that their president is now a part of the UEFA executive comittee, and that BEIN signed a deal with UEFA for the CL broadcasting rights from 2021 to 2024. Coincidentally all charges against PSG were dropped. So now this corrupt malfunctioning organisation are using all their powers to only witch hunt us instead.

Hopefully we bring up this example to the CAS, and expose how fraudelent and corrupt UEFA and the financial fair play rules are

Where does this belief come from exactly ?

From Le Monde :

But the CAS judgment does not remove all the threats weighing on Paris-Saint-Germain, which must at all costs increase its sponsorship revenues: it must indeed bear the burden of the salaries of Neymar and Mbappé, and compensate for the devaluation of its income by the ICFC.

(1) As of this year, according to a source close to the ICFC, all Qatari club sponsors are valued at 52 million euros - while PSG signed a 145 million agreement with the Qatar Tourism Authority. The partnership expires in June 2019 and will not be renewed, as decided by the ICCC’s investigative chamber.

(2) In 2020, adds this source, the PSG will not be able to record any income of a sponsor considered as a related party, that is to say a company linked to the Qatari State, owner of the club through its sovereign fund Qatar Sports Investments (QSI).

(3) In addition, if it does not make significant sales this summer, the Paris club will have to generate 150 million euros annually to be in balance. And this when it must make a cross on the sum of 10.5 million euros, provided by UEFA in the event of qualification for the quarters of the Champions League, and on additional receipts in terms of ticketing.

Given these devaluations, the PSG's forecast deficit was estimated at 124 million euros for the 2017-2018 season, while the maximum deficit authorized to comply with the FPF is 30 million euros over three seasons.

(4) According to a source close to the ICFC, Aleksander Ceferin can"be relieved by the CAS decision. Despite the apparent defeat of UEFA. " If the CAS had decided differently, the investigating chamber of the CFCB would no doubt have been pushed to sanction the PSG. The latter was then said to have been tempted to legally attack UEFA after having complied with the investigating chamber’s decision in June 2018.

So, exactly, what charges were dropped ?

(1) PSG Qataris contracts have been valued at 52 M from 2019. City UAE contracts are higher than that. UEFA even forced PSG to terminate QTA contract. PSG complied with their demands.
If UEFA ask City to terminate a contract and City oblige, will you say that coincidentally all charges were dropped ? Or would you say that City has cooperated ?

(2) PSG is forbidden from signing a contract from a related party. Seems like it was finally allowed as Qatar Airways has followed Emirates Airways as the carrier of the club. The price is in the standard of the deal with other european clubs linked with Qatar Airways. So, no problem with fair market value.

(3) PSG had to sell players to balance the books on top of registering new contracts (Nike, Accor, Rwanda, Replay, Renault, etc.) since the devaluations put PSG out of the break even requirement. Similar to what is happening with City being in break even deficit after devaluation of UAE contracts.

(4) Ceferin relieved because he was fearing PSG challenging UEFA and FFP if a sanction had been put. Isn't it exactly what is happening with City ?

The funny thing is you don't realize that when City will have a successful appeal, the very same argument you are applying here will be used to say that City cheated their way out of trouble.

 

[Mikeegrini]

I think it will be years Kaz.

Suspended sentence for the next few years.

Things will carry on as they have.

Ahhh well, here we go on the City rollercoaster again!

We're "all in", no choice but to fight to the very, very end now. Had we accepted any penalty UEFA were offering as a supposed deal we had to accepted guilt also. The Premier League would be next for their pound of flesh, points deducted and rabid, clueless arseholes demanding all our success be scratched off. By trying to turn the screw with the latest threats of investigation do us a favour......we have no where left to go. 10 years of litigation here we go. Might take a while but I feel confident once we break free from so called " independent bodies" within UEFA the balance of power will change. You might be blue today but tomorrow will be Blue.

Come on City...We fight to the end

 

[meltonblue]

I’m not sure the leaked Booz Allen doc says much anyway as that is about our previous sponsorship agreement with Etihad for 6.1m rather than what happened post us signing the main one.

It did read to me like they weren’t putting it through the books post that point though so I certainly wouldn’t use it as evidence!

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Currently I'd be delighted if CAS overruled any sanctions against the club. After that taking UEFA to an actual court and winning, receiving exemplary damages or overturning FFP would be an incredible bonus.

 

[KS55]

Totally agree. I wouldn't mind betting the G14 are putting the finishing touches on a plan to outlaw the CFG model.

Well, any court in europe would strike that down on day 1

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I wouldn’t get worked up over David Cunnt, he’s a no mark, the Gonadian are up their own arse but don’t make money and come across all pious but then offshore income, tax dodging cunnts. They also hate the working class, that was finely honed under that complete fucking wanker Rusbridger.
Once all the dust settles City should fuck their enemies because that what they are.

last nights Chelsea v Trafford game showed just how bent football is, that red twat from wythenshawe refereeing his boyhood idols, what a complete farce.

They spent £80m on a printing press not fit for purpose.

The Guardian is and always will be a newspaper that hates newspapers.

 

[purplenose]

Like everyone, with the seriousness of this situation I catch myself occasionally questioning if we will win this. Remember we are surrounded at every turn by a belligerent and compliant media with very few reasonable voices even thinking about offering the other side of the argument (special mention to Adrian Durham and Martin Samuel) so the negativity is everywhere.

Then I ask myself, since the takeover have our owners ever let the club down. In any way of any substance? No they haven't.

What they have said they would do, they have done.
- Tear down the banner? DONE
- Win the league? DONE
- Sign the best players in the world? DONE
- Make the club self sustainable after the initial investment? DONE.
- Expand the stadium? DONE.
- Invest in the youth system? DONE
- Hire the best people behind the scenes? DONE.
- Lots more stuff. DONE.

My point is that at every turn since 2008 the media have claimed, with absolute irrefutable certainty that what City were claiming to be doing wasn't possible and wouldn't end well. They've been wrong every time.

When men the like of Khaldoon (and by extension Sheik Mansoor) tell me "we've got this, we will win this fight" I have total faith. Not blind faith, but faith based on the evidence of my own eyes and ears. To be so bullish and confident for these people tells me they KNOW they are going to win this thing. If for no better reason than to be so confident and then lose would mean a great loss of face publicly and they would not risk that (in my opinion) if they believed there was a slight chance of not winning through.

It will be long, hard, and unfair at many points. Our detractors all over the world will be queuing up to tell us we are going to lose and lose heavily, but keep the faith. The people running out club these days have never let us down and they're not going to start now. Not with this.

Got to say my gut feeling agrees with you.

The owners will throw endless amounts of time and money at this. I do think the magnitude of what lies ahead and its consequences are lost on many. This will determine whether or not football at the top level becomes a completely closed shop. Making domestic leagues so un competitive that the only option to "save football" will be the Super League. City are probably the one hope of avoiding this scenario. It will however mean bringing UEFA to its knees and that wont be easy or cheap. Perhaps its only City that have the finances to take UEFA on. Its a huge ask, but like you my gut tells me that our owners will prevail.

One thing is certain if we do win you wont be able to see the end of your nose for weeks due to all the steam off boiling piss.

 

[marco]

Puma coming out like that is so odd.

Really odd.

I can’t fathom why they wouldn’t keep quiet until the end of it. Nobody was attacking them, other than the odd anonymous Twitter handle maybe, they weren’t in the press and weren’t at risk.

They’ve put themselves, in terms of PR, at risk by backing us.


This says to me that they are absolutely sure we’re innocent and it must mean that the club have gone through the evidence with them.

In other news, all staff at City have been told by Soriano that everything stays the same and that we’ll win this 100%. My mate is good mates with one of the ground staff, we get freebies off him some times.

i think if Puma have come out with this then 100% they have seen documentation and taken advice that we are completely free of wrong doings,they wouldnt come out with that even if it was a 50/50 case

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

i think if Puma have come out with this then 100% they have seen documentation and taken advice that we are completely free of wrong doings,they wouldnt come out with that even if it was a 50/50 case

Puma, as a German company, will have been briefed when the De Spiegel bollocks was published, as it was prior to them signing off the deal with us.

 

[havefaith]

Like everyone, with the seriousness of this situation I catch myself occasionally questioning if we will win this. Remember we are surrounded at every turn by a belligerent and compliant media with very few reasonable voices even thinking about offering the other side of the argument (special mention to Adrian Durham and Martin Samuel) so the negativity is everywhere.

Then I ask myself, since the takeover have our owners ever let the club down. In any way of any substance? No they haven't.

What they have said they would do, they have done.
- Tear down the banner? DONE
- Win the league? DONE
- Sign the best players in the world? DONE
- Make the club self sustainable after the initial investment? DONE.
- Expand the stadium? DONE.
- Invest in the youth system? DONE
- Hire the best people behind the scenes? DONE.
- Lots more stuff. DONE.

My point is that at every turn since 2008 the media have claimed, with absolute irrefutable certainty that what City were claiming to be doing wasn't possible and wouldn't end well. They've been wrong every time.

When men the like of Khaldoon (and by extension Sheik Mansoor) tell me "we've got this, we will win this fight" I have total faith. Not blind faith, but faith based on the evidence of my own eyes and ears. To be so bullish and confident for these people tells me they KNOW they are going to win this thing. If for no better reason than to be so confident and then lose would mean a great loss of face publicly and they would not risk that (in my opinion) if they believed there was a slight chance of not winning through.

It will be long, hard, and unfair at many points. Our detractors all over the world will be queuing up to tell us we are going to lose and lose heavily, but keep the faith. The people running out club these days have never let us down and they're not going to start now. Not with this.

Take a bow, spot on.