UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[petrusha]

What does he mean, 'Even Stu Brennan was embarrassed about the tool kit'

Since when was the MEN still considered a primary City source for anything.

Even United, for that matter?

PB uncovered changes to the UEFA document (the toolkit) which related to the application of FFP. IIRC, the revised application meant that we couldn't avoid punishment by deducting wages under pre-2010 contracts to fall within a certain threshold whereby we'd have avoided a penalty despite falling FFP in the first period.

The suggestion is that even Brennan - regarded as an arch-City defender by these people - didn't agree with Colin's analysis.

IMO for a journalist to contact a fan privately like this is a sign of him having spectacularly lost the plot. Dunno if you'd agree with that, mate, given your professional background?

 

[mccity]

Hi Colin,

Your conspiracy theories are routinely a source of wry amusement among those outside the narrow band of City fans who feed off each's paranoia. Did you see last year that even Stu Brennan went public on Twitter to say your "toolkit / goalposts" nonsense was something that even he didn't believe! Pretty embarrassing stuff.

As for the notion that myself "and others" are part of a group who "coordinate their attacks" on City ... you have lost any semblance of plot you had left, IF you believe that.You can be as deeply angered about (wholly) imagined plots against you, or indeed City, as you like. That's your prerogative. But you're getting unnecessarily wound up over stuff that only exists in your head.

For a long time I felt you were a sensible and civil fan, able to look with a properly critical eye at City and of course as we discussed over a period, you were also able to acknowledge City wrong-doings. Propagating garbage about journalists, privately or otherwise, indicates something has driven you over the edge. I'd be happy to talk to you if you have any questions about how this has happened, about journalistic process, about any of it.

But maybe calm down first. Because ranty lying emails are just going to get you laughed at, not listened to.

Whoever it is has absolutely no sense of irony of self awareness.

I hope someone publicises this email on the wider social media world.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

Now boys and girls. Let's play a game. I'm going to show you an email I've received and you have to guess who it's from.

Jesus!

Has this guy got so little basic self-awareness he can't see the quite staggering levels of hypocrisy in his own message?

I mean - this particular paragraph takes the biscuit:

For a long time I felt you were a sensible and civil fan, able to look with a properly critical eye at City and of course as we discussed over a period, you were also able to acknowledge City wrong-doings. Propagating garbage about journalists, privately or otherwise, indicates something has driven you over the edge. I'd be happy to talk to you if you have any questions about how this has happened, about journalistic process, about any of it.

Let's just for a moment take him at his word, and apply the expectations he clearly has of others as a basis for comparison against which to judge his own recent behaviour.

Has he displayed so much as a single characteristic from that list in his vapid blogging about City throughout this? Has he demonstrated any sort of 'critical eye' in how he views the process the UEFA Investigatory chamber have overseen? No - he just accepts it and its outcome as right without question. Is he able to see any wrong doing in UEFA's behaviour and how they have handled the process from the start? No - none of it. His view is entirely one-sided, with all the wrong doing naturally on City's side. Is he happy to 'propagate garbage' about the Club's conduct, and the response of City fans to the issues surrounding this case - one look at his infantile stunt this morning would suggest the answer to that can only be an unequivocal 'yes'.

Its not about expecting him to necessarily come down on the side of City on this - but at no point has he demonstrated any capacity to critically consider any perspective other than that which he holds.

Such a complete lack of empathy and insight into the perspective of other human beings, such arrogance and a refusal to apply the same stringent standards you expect of others to yourself are classic traits of Narcissism.

As is self-delusion - and his vain attempts to align and equate his own position with that of other 'proper' journalists - as if he shares membership with them in some sort of a group - would be quite quaint if he wasn't such a raging egotist.

He gives away far more about his own deeply flawed worldview and personality in those few lines than I'm sure he intended - but then I don't imagine he cares about any of that. Narcissists never do!

 

[Renneronline]

Journalists, especially those retained by the big Letterheads, write to sell advertising space, the better the controversy they can cause the higher the price the 'paper can sell the space around the piece for. It's how newspapers have always functioned. Those on the internet operate in the same manner, anyone who runs a popular blog or has adverts running on a popular site will know that the empty spaces around their presentations can be worth a pretty penny, hence the plethora of adverts all over the internet. Journalists are just basically muck spreaders of the writing world...irrespective of the rag/site they write for. Of course some try to come across even handed, level headed...but they will succumb to the pressures of their paymasters at some point. It's a foul world at there, few, if any, who write on tribal subjects such as football, aren't in the slightest bit interested in 'fans' opinions...fans usually don't get paid for their stuff, but those people do. Let's face it, the only truth any newspaper publishes is the day's date it's printed on!

 

[Claytop]

Jesus!

Has this guy got so little basic self-awareness he can't see the quite staggering levels of hypocrisy in his own message?

I mean - this particular paragraph takes the biscuit:

For a long time I felt you were a sensible and civil fan, able to look with a properly critical eye at City and of course as we discussed over a period, you were also able to acknowledge City wrong-doings. Propagating garbage about journalists, privately or otherwise, indicates something has driven you over the edge. I'd be happy to talk to you if you have any questions about how this has happened, about journalistic process, about any of it.

Let's just for a moment take him at his word, and apply the expectations he clearly has of others as a basis for comparison against which to judge his own recent behaviour - its really quite an instructive insight into the man.

Has he displayed so much as a single characteristic from that list in his vapid blogging about City throughout this? Has he demonstrated any sort of 'critical eye' in how he views the process the UEFA Investigatory chamber have overseen? No - he just accepts it and its outcome as right without question. Is he able to see any wrong doing in UEFA's behaviour and how they have handled the process from the start? No - none of it. His view is entirely one-sided, with all the wrong doing naturally on City's side. Is he happy to 'propagate garbage' about the Club's conduct, and the response of City fans to the issues surrounding this case - one look at his infantile stunt this morning would suggest the answer to that can only be an unequivocal 'yes'.

Its not about expecting him to necessarily come down on the side of City on this - but at no point has he demonstrated any capacity to critically consider any perspective other than that which he holds.

Such a complete lack of empathy and insight into the perspective of other human beings, such arrogance and a refusal to apply the same stringent standards you expect of others to yourself are classic traits of Narcissism.

As is self-delusion - and his vain attempts to align and equate his own position with that of other 'proper' journalists - as if he shares membership with them in some sort of a group - would be quite quaint if he wasn't such a raging egotist.

He gives away far more about his own deeply flawed worldview and personality in those few lines than I'm sure he intended - but then I don't imagine he cares about any of that. Narcissists never do!

So, in other words, he’s a twat?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Thanks PB was uncertain.

Let me tell you something about his family. Probably said this before but it proves what a bunch of shits they are as people. His grandfather started the Jewish Telegraph, which as its name suggests, writes for the Jewish community, mainly in Manchester. Rob's father, Paul, now runs it and he has no scruples about running stories that are hurtful to families. One particular story affected my family and concerned my cousin Les, who unfortunately took his own life about 30 years ago.

Paul Harris had been friends with Les at school so they knew each other. He rang my aunt and uncle, who were obviously in a pretty bad state, and offered his condolences. He asked, as a former friend, if they'd have any objection to him running a tribute to his school friend Les in the next issue. They didn't suspect any ulterior motive and said yes. No doubt he'd got a few details of his death off them as part of the conversation. Expecting a nice tribute, they picked up the next issue to see a lurid story, with no detail spared, about how he'd gassed himself in his car. Naturally they were horrified to see something like that splashed all over the news and laid bare for the local community, many of who knew them.

That is the Harris family. Bunch of utter shits and the apple clearly hasn't fallen far from the tree.

 

[Sky Blue]

Conn 'full of hot' Air....

 

[SWP's back]

Now boys and girls. Let's play a game. I'm going to show you an email I've received and you have to guess who it's from.

Pigeoninho or Frank Sinatra?

 

[petrusha]

So, in other words, he’s a twat?

I regard him as a figure of fun, because he's basically what you'd create if you wanted to turn one of these anti-City journos into a comedy character. Except for one thing. He can be genuinely nasty when challenged. I recall a couple of Blues being rather unpleasantly bullied with threats of legal action when trying to have a civil debate with him.

 

[Ric]

@Ric must be delighted with the traffic , bluemoon is getting :)

This came in twitter feed , based on the journos who "liked " this tweet who I follow , including bluemoon's favourite.



Good , atleast the Media Agenda thread wasn't misplaced :D

It's a "Fan" forum FFS. Phil should know , given his twitter feed which is a fun read and a definition of obsessed !