UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[give it to gordon]

After the Bosman ruling, they were told that regulations have to be drafted with ‘EU rules in mind’ particularly freedom of movement in that case.
They were reminded by the court that despite their autonomy in a sporting context, they could not draft regulations which broke the law.

Doesnt that mean ffp is against the law by stopping free trade and investment into your club/company ?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Until CAS give their judgement everything said is conjecture and opinion. Some well informed but most not. The test for City is whether the owners are prepared to take it go another court after CAS as being slightly cynical on how these things work, we will end up with some or all of the penalties imposed. Faces have to be saved. I cannot believe that we will walk away from CAS as victors. Obviously this is just an opinion, but it's based on 60 years of watching how this world works. Follow the money

Just like Liverpool hacking us and the general feel of that thread being a bit giddy in them getting stung for it, but absolutely nothing coming of it, doesn’t fill me with hope for this.

I know it’s a different case but in big business, giant organisations and cartels; very little ever gets turned over.

I wouldn’t be shocked to hear the independent CAS person has cartel leanings.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Incriminating or not, hopefully CFG have learned that you NEVER send "For your ears & eyes only" communications through wires, or over the air. There isn't a system I've encountered which can't be gotten through if there's a will.

That being said, the "Ha ha! We gotcha red handed" or the "You've taken it all out of context" are both moot points. City didn't want to be the ones to bring down UEFA/G14 over this, but because we are where we are, we've fuck all to lose in doing so now.

What UEFA are doing with FFP is against EU competition law, plain & simple. We need to stop fucking around, & shine the flashlight on the stinking elephant in the room.

In no other walk of business is a minted owner not allowed to invest his own legal funds into his enterprise. Even worse, with FFP, a skint owner can borrow £750m, or whatever he likes, as long as a high street banking institution is willing to loan the money, & the club in question can afford the capital & interest repayments.

UEFA/G14 have taken our gloves off for us, & as far as I'm concerned, we've got fuck all to lose by going nuclear & reducing the whole scam to rubble.

THAT should be our main defence. "Here you go CAS. There's all of your 'Out of context' bollox." And then "Here you go Swiss Courts. We believe we've uncovered anti competition practices by UEFA/G14, which contravenes your EU Constitution".

Sometimes, the polite corporate way doesn't produce the desired results, & you have to get all street on your enemies. If I've ever seen a situation where this is the case, it's right here, & right now with FFP!

Hopefully that’s what happens!

 

[BringBackSwales]

Just like Liverpool hacking us and the general feel of that thread being a bit giddy in them getting stung for it, but absolutely nothing coming of it, doesn’t fill me with hope for this.

I know it’s a different case but in big business, giant organisations and cartels; very little ever gets turned over.

I wouldn’t be shocked to hear the independent CAS person has cartel leanings.

I might be wrong but doesn’t the third member of the tribunal have to be agreeable to both parties?

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Doesnt that mean ffp is against the law by stopping free trade and investment into your club/company ?

Each case would have to be tested on its own merits, but the court made its position clear in the Bosman case.

 

[aguero93:20]

James Pearce blowing smoke up Liverpool's arse being the prime example. How the hell a hack from a regional newspaper got that gig is beyond me.

Because he's willing to blow smoke up liverpool's arse?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It is.

I was listening to the Why Always Us podcast yesterday from The Athletic and they had some French guy on the show saying UEFA are very very confident that CAS will find us guilty.

This, after I was equally positive that we would win, tempered my confidence.

Now TH has me more positive again.

Who knows...hope is good...even false hope is quite good. He’s obviously heard something good but doesn’t want to say.

The Athletic and French you say?

Oh well...

Let's just say a couple of old dragons will be out of their jobs very soon :)

And that's all I can say, genuinely.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Because he's willing to blow smoke up liverpool's arse?

I think that neatly sums it up. Straight from Liverpool uni to the Echo where he's spent 10 years maximising clicks.

 

[Dribble]

I like and totally agree with your summarisation of the situation that we and UEFA are facing, but whereas our case is presumably rock solid, UEFA may contest any proceedings based on the fact that the European football competitions are technically by invitation and that UEFA is a private club where the membership, City included, signed up to the rules and then went on to defy them. Judge Rinder, step forward please.

This point was put to a legal eagle a few years ago, & the summary came back as follows:

You & I can form an invitation only Fast & Furious Speedster Club, without limits. The UK road speed limit is 30mph, & as long as none of the club members are caught speeding, or are reported for speeding, we're cool.

However, the moment someone has concrete evidence of law breaking going on at the speed club & reports it, the authorities HAVE to act. Where FFP is concerned, there is already a challenge creaking its way through the EU Court Process.

I honestly believe if we start spending the promised £30m on an army of lawyers to challenge FFP, it'll be dead in the water before too long. City just didn't want it to be us who did the deed. As it stands right now, we have absolutely fuck all to lose, & that is the most dangerous kind of foe you could wish to happen across.

This also reminds me of those mens only clubs which were successfully challenged by gender equality groups. Their clubs had their rules for decades, the law said different when it was challenged..... As UEFA/G14 will soon find out, the law is the law.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Nobody saw a 2 yr ban coming so i am in the wait and hope for the best camp

That's incorrect Karen. The most important people saw it coming and that's City.

Hence why we went to CAS long before the public verdict and had a prepared statement as a response to Uefa.