UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[dario2739]

Remember all the complaints from the press decrying City's dominance was ruining the game as we won 2 on the trot......not a fucking dicky bird regarding Bayerns demagoguery.
Killing the game in Germany - 8 on the bounce used to be reserved for the minor leagues of Upper Volta, which is what they are becoming like. Not seen any negative reports in the German press, are there any?
Or is it Bayerns law?

Same now with the Scousers... can you see the press whinging if they went on to dominate and win everything... would they fook!

 

[bennyboy]

Spot-on. There still a lot of apologists for FFP in the media but essentially it is destroying European football by still allowing clubs to build up huge amounts of debt while not allowing fresh internal investment from outside. The French, Italian, and now German Leagues have become jokes. Spain is really just a two-club league. If it wasn't for Chelsea and City English football would have become another one-team league with no competition for United.
I used to enjoy the Bundesliga but it's like Scotland now. Clubs who tried to challenge like Wolfsburg and Leipzig have been strangled at birth. What do German football fans really want? In theory the fans-owner model is a good idea but why turn away external investors to strengthen the league. There is nothing fair about the way Bayern operate.

City strangling Wolfsburg at birth.lol

 

[SWP's back]

This an interesting and well researched and referenced document. You can see lots of City around p73. https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1839&context=njilb

What is interesting is the pre-2014 knowledge. Similarly, https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...h-creative-plays-documents-show-idUKKCN1NB2S7 looks at the pre-settlement conclusions of UEFA, in particular, "UEFA investigators, in the May 2014 preliminary view report, also noted that they had found no evidence of a commercial negotiation over the deals, “leading to the conclusion that this was not an arm’s length transaction between unrelated parties.”

In which case, they have no case as they deemed it fair value surely?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

This an interesting and well researched and referenced document. You can see lots of City around p73. https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1839&context=njilb

What is interesting is the pre-2014 knowledge. Similarly, https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...h-creative-plays-documents-show-idUKKCN1NB2S7 looks at the pre-settlement conclusions of UEFA, in particular, "UEFA investigators, in the May 2014 preliminary view report, also noted that they had found no evidence of a commercial negotiation over the deals, “leading to the conclusion that this was not an arm’s length transaction between unrelated parties.”

That first article seems incredibly biased and political. It is interesting that a highly political organisation like the Council of Europe should have a say in the way European football is operated and should express concern about "foreign investments." The Council of Europe seems to have a very selective and partial view of human rights issues ie it targets the owners of City and PSG wth no mention of the G14 clubs. It all smells of institutionalised racism to me.

 

[slbsn]

That first article seems incredibly biased and political. It is interesting that a highly political organisation like the Council of Europe should have a say in the way European football is operated and should express concern about "foreign investments." The Council of Europe seems to have a very selective and partial view of human rights issues ie it targets the owners of City and PSG wth no mention of the G14 clubs. It all smells of institutionalised racism to me.

You are a quick reader! It is written by an American lawyer via Northwestern School of Law (https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-sims-1b394911b). Not sure on what basis it is biased. In any event it is interesting more as decent compilation of the useful references for those seeking a broader understanding of how we got here.

 

[laserblue]

Same now with the Scousers... can you see the press whinging if they went on to dominate and win everything... would they fook!

About as much as they did when the rags won 13 of the first 21 Premier League titles.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

This is an interesting and well researched and referenced document. You can see lots of City around p73. https://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1839&context=njilb

What is interesting is the pre-2014 knowledge. Similarly, https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-...h-creative-plays-documents-show-idUKKCN1NB2S7 looks at the pre-settlement conclusions of UEFA, in particular, "UEFA investigators, in the May 2014 preliminary view report, also noted that they had found no evidence of a commercial negotiation over the deals, “leading to the conclusion that this was not an arm’s length transaction between unrelated parties.”

That all sounds like the argument for the prosecution tbh.

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VI. CONCLUSION For the protection of European football, the FFP regulations needs amending to ensure winners and losers are no longer chosen by foreign investments.

2003/2004 season, Europe has seen an explosion of foreign owners investing in football clubs. With the increase of additional competition in European football, clubs have taken it upon themselves to spend at unsustainable levels in a race to the top. Because of this irresponsible spending, UEFA decided to introduce the FFP regulations.

UEFA implemented FFP to ensure responsible spending by the clubs as well as to promote and improve all aspects of the game. However, some aspects of the game, namely competition, continue to go unimproved. By closing certain loopholes exploited by the new foreign owners coming into European football, clubs can enjoy financial stability FFP looks to implement as well as a competitive sport for the clubs and fans alike. If UEFA addresses repeat offenders, the method of valuing related party transactions, and more clearly defines a related party, the sport of European football would be better off

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The part in bold, is the argument AGAINST FFP surely

 

[nmc]

Thread will be imo 5000 by the time the verdict is reached

That's when everyone goes Ape 1 way or Another

But will we know who HH is by 5,000 pages?

 

[Winchester]

But will we know who HH is by 5,000 pages?

Good question !

 

[KS55]

That first article seems incredibly biased and political. It is interesting that a highly political organisation like the Council of Europe should have a say in the way European football is operated and should express concern about "foreign investments." The Council of Europe seems to have a very selective and partial view of human rights issues ie it targets the owners of City and PSG wth no mention of the G14 clubs. It all smells of institutionalised racism to me.

Agree. The constant theme of "foreign investors" seems odd in a globalised world.