UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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A set of audited accounts should be very difficult for CAS to find against based on a short hearing and limited submissions. But it seems to me, that is what UEFA need to show to win.

Well in a nutshell, UEFA would have to go to extraordinary lengths and bring BDO into disrepute if they want to dispute they were misled about the related party nature of Etihad's sponsorship. I cannot reasonably see in a 3 day hearing and without full and through access to all of those records that that can reasonably be claimed. In fact such a claim would bring UEFA into disrepute without seriously strong evidence.
 
No legal case is more than 70% likely to win but City must be very confident or they would have settled because the stakes are very high so say, 60%-70% confident City win. But I must stress this is based largely on the fact we haven't settled rather than the substantive arguments.
Cheers for the response. I note that a lot of confidence has been based on a settlement but who is to say that UEFA actually offered one? If I was UEFA, and if I was City, then I’d be offering/conceding nothing. Both have stated, by the way this has been approached, that they are 100% sure that they have the ‘irrefutable’ evidence to succeed.

Very difficult to call, good to see you’re airing on a City win.
 
Well in a nutshell, UEFA would have to go to extraordinary lengths and bring BDO into disrepute if they want to dispute they were misled about the related party nature of Etihad's sponsorship. I cannot reasonably see in a 3 day hearing and without full and through access to all of those records that that can reasonably be claimed. In fact such a claim would bring UEFA into disrepute without seriously strong evidence.
In view of the short hearing I think they've either ruled very firmly in favour of one side or very quickly declared it a matter for higher courts to rule on.
 
In view of the short hearing I think they've either ruled very firmly in favour of one side or very quickly declared it a matter for higher courts to rule on.

I disagree with all of that.

The hearing length was defined before the hearing. I don't think it suggests anything other than that the case was on very few points of contention for the matter to be decided on.

I can't visualise anything where CAS send anything to a 'higher court' as there isn't anything they're being asked to judge on, and isn't a 'higher court' to send it too anyway. CAS' role is solely to assess whether UEFA's approach, process and conclusion is valid.
 
I disagree with all of that.

The hearing length was defined before the hearing. I don't think it suggests anything other than that the case was on very few points of contention for the matter to be decided on.

I can't visualise anything where CAS send anything to a 'higher court' as there isn't anything they're being asked to judge on, and isn't a 'higher court' to send it too anyway. CAS' role is solely to assess whether UEFA's approach, process and conclusion is valid.
Fair enough - I had it in my head that it was scheduled for longer. Also I suppose going to another / higher court is down to the losing side rather than CAS, so see what you mean there.
 
No legal case is more than 70% likely to win but City must be very confident or they would have settled because the stakes are very high so say, 60%-70% confident City win. But I must stress this is based largely on the fact we haven't settled rather than the substantive arguments.

When you say no legal case is more than 70% likely to win are you taking about the defence of a client?

If your taking about a prosecution, then it's just wrong. Can you clarify?
 
When you say no legal case is more than 70% likely to win are you taking about the defence of a client?

If your taking about a prosecution, then it's just wrong. Can you clarify?

I'm not sure what you mean in your last sentence but I'm saying in civil litigation or all types (including things like this), you can never be more than 70% certain when you go to a trial either as claimant or defendant, appellant or respondent. So many variables and even the strongest cases can lose. There are no certainties and in this case, regardless of City's view, UEFA will feel they have a good, arguable case.
 
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Fair enough - I had it in my head that it was scheduled for longer. Also I suppose going to another / higher court is down to the losing side rather than CAS, so see what you mean there.
3 days is a lot for CAS. But CAS won't be thinking lets send it somewhere higher. That isn't their role. Their role is to make a decision based on the evidence presented.
 
I'm not sure what you mean in your last sentence but I'm saying in civil litigation or all types (including things like this), you can never be more than 70% certain when you go to a trial either as claimant or defendant, appellant or respondent. So many variables and even the strongest cases can lose. There are no certainties and in this case, regardless of City's view, UEFA will feel they have a good, arguable case.

I thought you were making a generalization regarding all Court cases.

Apologies if wrong.
 
None of this should change your confidence. All it is trying to understand what the sides may have been considering in their arguments. I wrote this one because I think UEFA have more leeway than I originally wrote, arguing its case like this but that the hurdle of proving City's audits were false is still very high.
Yep. That high hurdle always gives me confidence. We will prevail.
 
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