UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Centurions]

Really missed you PB. You are one of the few on here who actually know what they are talking about. Thanks.

Yep, welcome back PB.

 

[BAB.DAB]

There’s only 7 of us tbf ;)

Sneezy, sleepy, bashful, doc, grumpy, happy and you!

 

[KS55]

Because, as ever, you're barking up the wrong tree. In fact, possibly in a different forest.

Owing money on transfers is fairly standard, and not against any rules. Even if the 84M is correct (and it is the Mail quoting it), if Liverpool aren't complaining, why would anyone else? The accounts certainly don't care.

Everyone knows that debt per se has nothing to do with FFP as passed. Utd are fine by the rules, so why would they be punished?

As far as I know, UEFA aren't currently pursuing City for breach of FFP; the allegation under investigation is that City lied about figures provided.

Yoy are right of course. These numbers show why it was wrong not to regulate debt. Platini called debt cheating, and he should know. Of course the biggest debtors at the time were Barca, Real, Arsenal, and the rags.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Yoy are right of course. These numbers show why it was wrong not to regulate debt. Platini called debt cheating, and he should know. Of course the biggest debtors at the time were Barca, Real, Arsenal, and the rags.

At one point he actually named the rags and Chelsea as the worst ‘cheats’, totally ignoring his Iberian and Italian buddies.
He was both accurate and deliberately misleading at the same time. If you read back some of the interviews he gave from 2008 (coincidence? I don’t think so) he was scathing about the debtors and how they were cheating better run clubs of their chance to win the CL.
Well, we can all now see a debt free, better run club, who are being cheated out of our chance of winning the CL, but in a rather different way, and for other reasons.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

If you think the farce surrounding UEFA and their cartel clubs couldn’t get any worse.

Daily Fail.

Barcelona still owe £84MILLION to the banks over Philippe Coutinho deal with Liverpool as their accounts show the incredible extent of their £232m debt to clubs for big-money transfers.

However, Spanish outlet AS have reported Barcelona's annual accounts which show how much the club owes others within football, and it’s Liverpool which stands out.

From the original Coutinho fee, it’s stated £84m is still to be paid.

There is also no suggestion that this outstanding debt is related to bonuses.

£24m of that amount is considered to be due in the ‘short term’, although the accounts provide no precise time-frame.

The new information will be of concern to Barca fans, the club owing £232m to clubs in total. In turn they are owed £67m, £22m of which Everton are responsible for.

transfer fee payments will be negotiated and contracted for, and are normally paid in installments, hence why Arsenal chose Pepe over Zaha. That's really been made out to be far more than it is, short term just means that's what they owe within the next year.

If they started to fail to meet those payment deadlines, then they'd have a problem.

 

[rabby]

Yep, that's fair, but unknown really. If Barcelona can get someone to give them 600M, good for them. I don't think we can complain about that without looking hypocritical.

We both know someone is not going to give them 600M tho,they will rack up a collosal debt and carry on as usual and nobody will give a flying fuck.
When FFP was introduced in 2009,it was set up with the intention of preventing clubs getting into the sort of debt that may threaten their existence, unfortunately it became a vehicle for preventing ambition instead.
If uefa had stuck to the original basis on which FFP was set up we would be having a entirely different discussion.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

We both know someone is not going to give them 600M tho,they will rack up a collosal debt and carry on as usual and nobody will give a flying fuck.
When FFP was introduced in 2009,it was set up with the intention of preventing clubs getting into the sort of debt that may threaten their existence, unfortunately it became a vehicle for preventing ambition instead.
If uefa had stuck to the original basis on which FFP was set up we would be having a entirely different discussion.

Unless an Emirate comes in, no, I agree, but infrastructure expenditure is exempt; I agree though that it seems unlikely that Barcelona will be restricted as Arsenal and Spurs appear to have been.
Yep, I agree it would be very different - not sure it would be easy to say what would be happening right now, but I'd expect Newcastle to have been sold, and at least one more Italian club in the mix, and significantly less bleating about City's "unlimited funds" (to quote the media lie).

 

[M18CTID]

transfer fee payments will be negotiated and contracted for, and are normally paid in installments, hence why Arsenal chose Pepe over Zaha. That's really been made out to be far more than it is, short term just means that's what they owe within the next year.

If they started to fail to meet those payment deadlines, then they'd have a problem.

Yep, and it would be a big problem because UEFA take a very dim view of clubs who fail to pay their bills to other clubs. It’s a part of the FFP regs that actually makes a lot of sense but many blues are unaware of it because present day City are never going to have a problem with meeting our obligations to other clubs. UEFA have banned clubs from European competition for that and even Barcelona would struggle to escape a ban if they were ever guilty of it.

 

[nmc]

We both know someone is not going to give them 600M tho,they will rack up a collosal debt and carry on as usual and nobody will give a flying fuck.
When FFP was introduced in 2009,it was set up with the intention of preventing clubs getting into the sort of debt that may threaten their existence, unfortunately it became a vehicle for preventing ambition instead.
If uefa had stuck to the original basis on which FFP was set up we would be having a entirely different discussion.

They’ll get a nice friendly good terms loan for the full £600m from the Catalan Govt !

 

[Tevez City]

I think UEFA are waiting City to reach the Final to suddenly punish them.

Thats what they do, whenever the club achieve anything they will disrupt the party.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Yep, and it would be a big problem because UEFA take a very dim view of clubs who fail to pay their bills to other clubs. It’s a part of the FFP regs that actually makes a lot of sense but many blues are unaware of it because present day City are never going to have a problem with meeting our obligations to other clubs. UEFA have banned clubs from European competition for that and even Barcelona would struggle to escape a ban if they were ever guilty of it.

Yes, that's true.
In this case, Barcelona owe money to banks, not to Liverpool, and are therefore not likely to infringe the UEFA payment rules. Some tabloids have reinterpreted the original story into outright fabrication.

 

[KS55]

Yes, that's true.
In this case, Barcelona owe money to banks, not to Liverpool, and are therefore not likely to infringe the UEFA payment rules. Some tabloids have reinterpreted the original story into outright fabrication.

No, they would never do that, would they?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

No, they would never do that, would they?

I know, hard to believe. Football 365 had a big chunk on it:

Liverpool and the case of the missing £80m
Mediawatch is getting increasingly annoyed at the ridiculous BBC gossip column and its commitment to clicks at any cost. Hence them including Coutinho (or Countinho, because all that money cannot buy you basic spelling, it seems) in their headline despite there being no actual transfer update on Philippe Coutinho. Or is there?

‘Liverpool could receive only £4.5m of the £84m they are still owed by Barcelona for Brazilian playmaker Philippe Coutinho, 27, who moved to the Nou Camp in 2018. (Mirror).’

Well this sounds like a scandal. *click*.

Now we expect practically nothing of the Mirror website so we were not at all surprised to find that Liverpool have actually ‘received £105m up front for the sale of Coutinho, with the remaining £37million set to be paid in installments’ and that Liverpool are actually owed very little by Barcelona at all.

So what the Mirror have rather shamelessly done is taken the money owed by Barcelona – to a third-party lender – for Coutinho and implied that this even remotely effects Liverpool. SPOILER: It doesn’t.

‘Liverpool set to receive just £4.5m of the £84m Barcelona owe for Philippe Coutinho’ is their headline, which neglects to mention that Barcelona do not owe that money to Liverpool, who have already received the vast majority of the money and will receive the rest in due course. It is classic obfuscation.

Then along come the BBC to further wilfully misunderstand that headline and that story and make angry Liverpool fans think that they are going to miss out on £80m owed to them by evil Barcelona.

Can we write to Points of View?

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

Have they fined or banned us yet?
No?
Thought not.

 

[bangkokblueballs]

Yes, that's true.
In this case, Barcelona owe money to banks, not to Liverpool, and are therefore not likely to infringe the UEFA payment rules. Some tabloids have reinterpreted the original story into outright fabrication.

There’s a shocker!!!

 

[MCC]

About one year on from all the allegations, wankers in the media frothing over an imminent ban and still nothing. Do we even have a date yet at CAS for our case? These delays with no hearing or charges seem very, very fishy.

 

[KS55]

About one year on from all the allegations, wankers in the media frothing over an imminent ban and still nothing. Do we even have a date yet at CAS for our case? These delays with no hearing or charges seem very, very fishy.

I suspect, and hope, that the delay reflects doubts at UEFA that they can win.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

There’s a shocker!!!

I know, hard to believe isn't it?

 

[M18CTID]

I suspect, and hope, that the delay reflects doubts at UEFA that they can win.

That's my thinking too. That they know they've jumped the gun and fucked up. Assuming guilt when there's no evidence of wrongdoing - just evidence of an internal conversation which proves fuck all, but because it's been sensationalised so much by those bitter ****s at Der Spiegel, they've probably had a plethora of clubs demanding that UEFA take action.

Of course, there could be some "smoking gun" piece of evidence against us that none of us are aware of, but I'm guessing if there was then we'd have heard about it by now through one of the many leaks.

 

[Centurions]

About one year on from all the allegations, wankers in the media frothing over an imminent ban and still nothing. Do we even have a date yet at CAS for our case? These delays with no hearing or charges seem very, very fishy.

11 months since DS did their 'exposé', doesn't time fly when you're attacked on all sides...