UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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AC Milan post losses of €146m. You can sort of understand why they voluntarily took a European ban this season.

I don't understand how you can lose that much and still be that shit.
 
They are all hoping that if they sling enough mud, that some of it will stick. I am just getting sick and tired of these so called journo's, trying to conjure up lies about the club. It is time that we started suing a couple of them along with their editors and the owners a swell. maybe they will be more careful if some of them were in court, and it cost them a lot od money as well as there lively hood.

If just one well know sports reporter was sued and ended up being sacked, maybe the others will stop trying to conjure up some stories that they know are not true.
 
This is dragging on.

I’m sure Parry and his mates at Littlewoods thought it would be done and dusted quickly.

Don’t worry, Henry and his NYT’s mates will be on it straightaway if we are banned.
 
cptaidan88 said:
AC Milan post losses of €146m. You can sort of understand why they voluntarily took a European ban this season.

I don't understand how you can lose that much and still be that shit.
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At the end of his era, Berlusconi refused to put any money in the club and AC Milan dropped massively sportively. The end of their ambition was highlighted by the sale of Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva to the "new rich" club. Italian clubs and league didn't manage to draw financial ressources during their european domination. AC Milan was left without their sugar daddy money, with a team of overpaid players and the final nail in the coffin was the dodgy chinese guy who became their new owner.

I think Elliot has done kinda ok since the club was (and still is) in massive crisis. Juventus has shown the way and Inter is coming back as well. One positive point is the new stadium for both Milan clubs which will likely helps them get more revenues. Then, they will have to do better with the coach appointment and their player scouting. Both Juventus and Inter have world class managers and AC Milan keeps hiring less capable coaches. Then, they made a lot of bets on rather young players. Juventus, on the other hand, started their come back by sniffing any high level "free agent" (and keeps doing it with Ramsey and Rabiot this summer) and can now afford risky and expensive moves on the market.
Imo, it is unlikely they will ever meet their old european level under Berlusconi (when he was caring about football) but they can become a good midtable european club who can be annoying and overachieve (between Napoli who is good but underachieves and Atletico who has been overachieving).
 
This is a very interesting development today.

It has emerged during the Ronaldo rape allegations case that Nevada State prosecutors, following investigation into 100 pages and emails, dropped the case because detectives could not be sure the documents published by Football Leaks were not altered.

Ronaldo is represented by Jorge Mendes' Gesfute agency.
 
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
This is a very interesting development today.

It has emerged during the Ronaldo rape allegations case that Nevada State prosecutors, following investigation into 100 pages and emails, dropped the case because detectives could not be cure the documents published by Football Leaks were not altered.

Ronaldo is represented by Jorge Mendes' Gesfute agency.
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Exactly as I said a few pages ago. Emails which haven't been obtained under strict forensic conditions are entirely unreliable as evidence.

No proper Court or tribunal would ever admit such evidence. I
 
Newman Noggs said:
Exactly as I said a few pages ago. Emails which haven't been obtained under strict forensic conditions are entirely unreliable as evidence.

No proper Court or tribunal would ever admit such evidence. I
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Exactly.

If you drill down into the nuts and bolts if it, there is also a clear mandate (whether paid for or not) to deliberately target Mendes' Gesfute agency. Same reason we came on to the hacker's radar, as a result of our business done with him.
 
It would seem then that any case against us based on evidence from the same source would be on extremely unsafe grounds if tested in court.
If our CAS referral for dismissal due to UEFA not following their own guidelines fails, UEFA will indeed have an almighty decision to make which if it goes against them will be a) hugely expensive, b) hugely damaging.
As the UEFA upper chamber hasn't even scheduled our case to be heard yet do we believe that they are avoiding the necessary confrontation or hoping it will all just go away and be swept under the carpet as we are about to produce yet another record breaking income total and profit margin.
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
It would seem then that any case against us based on evidence from the same source would be on extremely unsafe grounds if tested in court.
If our CAS referral for dismissal due to UEFA not following their own guidelines fails, UEFA will indeed have an almighty decision to make which if it goes against them will be a) hugely expensive, b) hugely damaging.
As the UEFA upper chamber hasn't even scheduled our case to be heard yet do we believe that they are avoiding the necessary confrontation or hoping it will all just go away and be swept under the carpet as we are about to produce yet another record breaking income total and profit margin.
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We aren't even disputing the emails, only the context. That can certainly point towards specific information being omitted or edited for someone else's gain.

I'm still wary that many Blues are under the impression that UEFA are some sort of legitimate legal framework body.

They have already ruled against us. As you say, it's whether they can afford to have their agenda called out in front of a proper court of Law.
 
If say teh alledged investigation is totally unwarranted and UEFA then have legal action taken upon them by our club, would any damages be able to be used towards FFP? :p
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
We aren't even disputing the emails, only the context. That can certainly point towards specific information being omitted or edited for someone else's gain.

I'm still wary that many Blues are under the impression that UEFA are some sort of legitimate legal framework body.

They have already ruled against us. As you say, it's whether they can afford to have their agenda called out in front of a proper court of Law.
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The context is what they are contesting because what the emails said we did isnt even prohibited.

UEFA ratified the amount Etihad are allowed to give us that contributes to FFP.

Where Etihad get that money is of no concern of UEFA's, whether its through selling airplane seats or being propped up by its owner.
 
domalino said:
The context is what they are contesting because what the emails said we did isnt even prohibited.

UEFA ratified the amount Etihad are allowed to give us that contributes to FFP.

Where Etihad get that money is of no concern of UEFA's, whether its through selling airplane seats or being propped up by its owner.
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It is of concern to UEFA if they can show it's come directly from ADUG. But I doubt they can.

And context is hugely important as the email said ADUG would "arrange" the additional funding, not that they would provide it, which is an important difference.

But even if ADUG did provide the funds, and UEFA could prove that conclusively, they're still allowed to do that as long as it represents market value, and that's completely subjective.
 
Manchester1894 said:
If say teh alledged investigation is totally unwarranted and UEFA then have legal action taken upon them by our club, would any damages be able to be used towards FFP? :p
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No UEFA would be bankrupt, both financially and morally after the Sheikh and Khaldoon lawyers are finished .
 
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