UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[jrb]

A nice and to the point little read.

https://mancitysquare.com/2019/06/05/manchester-city-take-uefa-to-court/

 

[Parisian]

Well I didn’t expect City to go to CAS before the AC made their recommendations.

I like that about City owners. They are much more aggressive and direct than other clubs towards UEFA bullshit.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Here https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/dis...rolling-body/investigatory-chamber/index.html and then click on "Further Details" link for the PDF...then it is Chapter 3 Articles 37/38 re statute of limitations and time limit.

Our settlement last time was dated 16 May 14 so presume the time-limit was linked to that.

Thanks. Here's a few other snippets from the Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body that people might (or might not) be interested in.

Article 6 - Independence - The members of the CFCB are independent.

Article 7 - incompatibilities - CFCB members may not belong simultaneously to:

a) any other UEFA organ, body or committee
b) any organ, body, committee or administrative division of a UEFA member, association or any league or club affiliated to a UEFA member association

(this is why, Parry, for example would ensure that he didn't have any such involvement before becoming a member of the CFCB thus "assuring" his "independence")

Article 9 - 1. A member of the CFCB may not take part in the consuderation of a case if there is any justifiable doubt as to his impartiality.

(step forward Mr Parry the "unashamed Liverpool fan")

2. A member of the CFCB shall disclose circumstances which might give rise to a conflict of interest

(step back Mr Parry)

Article 10 - Members of the CFCB ensure complete confudentiality of all facts that come to their attention in the course of their duties AND, IN PARTICULAR REFRAIN FROM DIVULGING THE CONTENTS OF THEIR DELIBERATIONS

(whoever was briefing the NYT, it was the CFCB's duty to ensure confidentiality)

Article 15 - The defendant may inspect the case file

(I'm sure we're all over this because, apart from the question marks over the integrity of the investigation itself, the initiation of the investigation and who, why and on what basis it was initiated may also impact on its integrity. It should also show whether the CFCB was subject to any interference or influence from anyone not actually on the CFCB)

 

[Parisian]

Isnt that what PSG did

Not really. In PSG case, it went from IC (investigative chamber) clearing PSG of any wrongdoing after the firesale (PSG losing money in the process with selling players under their value like Lo Celso sold for 25 M€ this summer (does not affect the previous 3 year period but show how FFP can be perverse in putting the seller in a weak negociation case) and who is touted for 60 or more now). AC chamber decided on her own to take on the case nonetheless and told IC to investigate more and sanction us. PSG went to CAS to stop AC judgement because of the non respect of their own rule during the procedure (not respecting the time limit). PSG won and the IC jugdement stood.
This is why it is funny when people says PSG failed FFP while the very own IC said we were clean.

In your case, IC says City has committed a wrongdoing and sends it to AC. City appealed to CAS to stop it from going any further.

 

[Newman Noggs]

A nice and to the point little read.

https://mancitysquare.com/2019/06/05/manchester-city-take-uefa-to-court/

Thanks. I think his point about the damage being done is a bit late. The damage has been deliberately inflicted by our competitors and lickspittle media for years. What this application does is bring UEFA into the mire as well. We've got nothing to lose.

 

[Parisian]

Yes, but say Juve or Inter wanted to spend £200m.
Would they then be paying an additional £200m in tax?
Ceferin had better be careful, those Italians know how to get rid of high flying political types

Well, even PSG owners don't want to pay this stupid tax. They are rich but they are no fools.

When City and PSG got done by FFP in 2014, they bought fought hard not to pay the fine. And it was a measly 50/80 M€ ?
And people think they would be ok to pay 100/200 M over the real value just to please people ?
We can say PSG did spent big on Neymar and Mbappé but was it a bad financial investment ? No. Mbappé is worth a lot more than the initial 145 +35 M and Neymar is still worth around the same value (might change with his latest injury record) and brought a whole bunch of sponsors money along with him. Those guys won't be spending if the value does not seem right.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

As has been mentioned before including on here, CAS are pretty much only interested to check on whether procedure has been followed, at least at the first hurdle.

But to take this step now, rather than challenging a decision of uefa, is significant for us, and depending on the outcome potentially very significant personally for certain figures within uefa too and football in general. Names don't need to be, and haven't specifically been, mentioned yet, but let's be clear that the gloves are well and truly off and, if successful, this first step could form the basis of a legal counter attack against an organization and individuals who have demonstrated not just a bias against city, but potentially criminal activities within the game.

Let it not be forgotten that we have at last count three separate major legal firms employed to fight our corner on this, we wouldn't need all of them just to bring this sole case before CAS.

Referring back to our last statement on this matter, mentioning irrefutable proof would suggest we are very confident on this outcome. If so, there are some slimy gits about to get theirs and I genuinely think uefa are unaware of the stakes. Here's hoping.

If we are successful in our appeal with CAS any ideas on how and where we might pursue UEFA further?

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Still owned by a country I see.

Someone else posted that as well ..the penny just dropped.

 

[Parisian]

One thing is for sure either Uefa or us are going to come out of this looking like a right tit, I suspect it will be Uefa.

UEFA doesn't care, as long as it doesn't go to civil courts.

You have a fresh example with PSG. Cleared out by CAS after all their moving the goalposts tactics and, yet, people still think PSG has somehow bribed some judges to win their case. Even here, in a City forum, where fans are upset and aware about how unfair the FFP is, how unfair the media campaign is, how unfair the critics from other football fans are and how they reek of jealousy.

From the onset, the narrative has been out. City and PSG are cheating and should be punished and banned from CL. This is what we hear from the date of their takeover. It is only normal for (unaware) people to think that should FFP be enforced and not bribed by the "oil ruling monarchies states", those clubs would have been dealt with accordingly a long time ago.

 

[laserblue]

Blimey. Just went out for a curry, came back and found this shit hitting the fan big time.

That was probably the phall you ate.