UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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On the plus side, it should see Ronaldo serving 10-15 in a Florida jail.

Same man, same paper are accusing Ronaldo of rape, yet the nations outrage is on City spending its own money.

To me, it just shows how desperate most are to see us fail.

Both stories should be laughed out if town based on the source alone!!
 
None which I can see, but that doesn't stop me being more wary of a jealous Premier League collective of clubs than Uefa.

They do have their own FFP version, so perhaps they hope these hacks demonstrate an infringement of them?

I can't see a mention of it as a main tweet since yesterday evening on @TimesSport. Seems a bit odd to not have it there - I'm not sure but there was something like this years ago, I thought.
 
United supporter here. I seriously doubt if United are part and parcel of this cowardly conspiracy.
We have always prided ourselves on welcoming competition and beating the new challengers. Unless of course it may be Woodward who is behind it over the inflation of the transfer market.
But it's just not the United way. Could b Liverpool though, They were fuming when Chelsea starting winning after Abramovic and Mourinho rode into town.

Haha. Over inflation of transfer market. There’s only one club in Manchester that does this and it’s not City pal.
 
I've posted this on Twitter. It's in response to Christoph Winterbach of Der Spiegel, who I've been talking to for a while.

Doing my response this way as that means I can do a proper thread. Let me try to clear this up as I understand it. FFP is clear that owners or related parties to them can inject funds via sponsorships. But the definition of a related party can be subjective. It's set out in the accounting standard IAS24 & City (and their auditors) maintain that none of the Abu Dhabi companies are related parties under this. If they were then the transactions would have to be specified as such in the accounts and they aren't. UEFA may dispute this.

If they were related parties then those deals have to be at 'fair market value'. The main Etihad deal was deemed to be FMV by UEFA so should be fireproof, regardless of where the money originated. So any issue is with the other sponsorships - Etisalat, Aabar & Visit Abu Dhabi. The argument is therefore presumably (a) whether these are related parties & if so (b) whether the deals are therefore FMV. If not (a) then (b) doesn't apply. UEFA's auditors claimed that they were related parties and they were overvalued. That might have to be tested in court.

As well as IAS24, UEFA have self-defined a related party as any entities from a connected source, eg Abu Dhabi state companies. These are not allowed to contribute >30% of total revenue and I believe they don't (it's maybe 20% at the very most). So that's not an issue either. So the core issue may be whether the other three companies are related parties under IAS24 & whether the deals are FMV. however if this only relates to the 2012/13 year then it's questionable whether UEFA could revisit the 2014 settlement agreement.

Your own articles said that UEFA knew of these deals in 2014 and had questioned them but we failed anyway & were sanctioned. The Galatasaray CAS ruling possibly closes the route of a re-opened punishment but there's the potential issue around source of funds/timing. If this additional funding carried on after the 2014 agreement then this may be a key issue for investigation. UEFA would presumably want to check whether it was disguised owner investment so would have to conclusively prove that these funds came from ADUG/Sheikh Mansour. As we discussed my firm understanding is that Abu Dhabi protocol means 'His Highness', when not followed by a name, refers to Sheikh Mohammed Bin Zayed (MBZ). 'His Highness Sheikh Mansour Bin Zayed' would be specified in the case of Sheikh Mansour.


I can't imagine UEFA has any power to compel any Abu Dhabi company to open its books so the investigation would focus purely on City. If UEFA can't prove that these companies are related parties or that the source of funds is ADUG then they have, in my view, no case. This is only my personal view based on my knowledge of the FFP regulations. I've had no input from City and have only seen the documents you've chosen to publish so it's also based on my reading of those.

There may be other avenues or issues for them to investigate but I have no knowledge of what these may be. I note that City have welcomed the investigation & I think it's needed to clear this up once and for all. The question is whether people will accept it if City are cleared.

A great post and insight, so many thanks for bringing that to us all. Re your last line - I can never see that happening.
 
So where are all the clowns who think we should stop booing the anthem?
If we win we make UEFA look stupid, if we lose it should get rid of the tourists. Win-win.
 
Yes, the hacker that's on his way back to Portugal. Arrested for 'hacking' in layman's terms, and admitted to it iirc (can defo be connected MCFC). He gave everything to Football Leaks, and they are working with DS; this means (again, layman's terms) material is 'in the public domain' when released so DS and others can comment and 'report' all they like.
There should no doubt be details and caveats in that answer but I guessed the short version would suit you.
I’m hoping we pursue DS and this guy. Surely he didn’t give the documents for free so I’m assuming paying for jacked material is a criminal offence
 
On the plus side, it should see Ronaldo serving 10-15 in a Florida jail.

Same man, same paper are accusing Ronaldo of rape, yet the nations outrage is on City spending its own money.

To me, it just shows how desperate most are to see us fail.

Both stories should be laughed out if town based on the source alone!!
Not going to comment on the the allegations against Ronaldo but there is no evidence in the public domain to suggest City have done anything illegal. What we have here is a case of a football authority based in another country trying to financially regulate an English business, which remains, in my opinion, farcical.
 
No doubt they are going to charge us with something, no doubt also that khaldoon won’t accept it! Gonna be popcorn time soon imo!
 
In all honesty I dont think this is Gill's doing.
It's more to do with geopolitics really.
Qatar and the UAE are just not liked.

Stinks of Gill to me.

Why announce it now? Was the timing purely coincidence of the resurgent Rags getting through to quarter final and we have our 2nd leg still to play and looking strong in all other comps
 
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