UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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But how's that related to the current situation? City don't want to challenge FFP anyway.

Have a read of the article posted a few mins ago - this first challenge is stage 1, we have provided documentation showing no wrong doing on our behalf, as stated by our club. This first challenge is to show we have provided proof.

If we do get sanctioned then i believe we then have grounds to take how the ffp law was applied to a national court, and get the sanction lifted
 
According to some law experts the seem to think ffp can be challenged, but that it would be best to take the case to a national court rather than the EU court

The experts state that the EU court has recognised ffp as a whole, but that any challenge on how the law is applied woukd be the way forward - ala AC Milan court case

There must be some slick-suited American lawyers that would love to get their teeth into this and take UEFA, FFP, Gill, et al to the cleaners.
 
Yeh, but not a particularly reassuring one!

It's not the same subject though as UEFA bending its rules or acting unreasonably to try and stop us.

Also, not one knows if a legal challenge to FFP would or would not work and they din't even discuss the Swiss Court.

Oh and the idea that FFP is not anti-competitive when it comes to preventing a club invest so that it can compete is still bullshit IMO. On-going overspending and investing to build something up are two different things. If FFP does not make proper allowance for investment, it's anti-competitive in my view.

City invested and moved to profitability and are not the club currently inflating the transfer or wages market.
 
This has only come to pass because of those leaks. So stolen emails they are taking as fact and want to ban us for a year!?
 
There must be some slick-suited American lawyers that would love to get their teeth into this and take UEFA, FFP, Gill, et al to the cleaners.

Yep...it seems that the cases that Daniel Striani and Galatasaray took to the courts were not won because they were challenging the legitimacy of FFP as a means of breaching European Competition law and prohibiting EU fundamentals.

However AC Milan won there case by actually challenging how those laws were applied and won
 
Castor Semenya (sp) lost her case at CAS and she then took it to the Swiss Supreme Court who then adjudicated in her favour. I heard a lawyer on TV say that city will be taking this all the way and that means if we have no joy with CAS we will take it further, as Semenya did.
 
It's not the same subject though as UEFA bending its rules or acting unreasonably to try and stop us.

Also, not one knows if a legal challenge to FFP would or would not work and they din't even discuss the Swiss Court.

Oh and the idea that FFP is not anti-competitive when it comes to preventing a club invest so that it can compete is still bullshit IMO. On-going overspending and investing to build something up are two different things. If FFP does not make proper allowance for investment, it's anti-competitive in my view.

City invested and moved to profitability and are not the club currently inflating the transfer or wages market.

Totally agree, as posted earlier this is stage 1, us saying we have provided proof and uefa have rushed and leaked this investigation to get us sanctioned - thus we have no faith in the investigation and how it has been investigated. This is a very savvy move from our club.

Now if we still get sanctioned, stage 2 is taking it to court
 
Of course. I'd draw attention to clause A3 which contains the objectives of the agreement;

"a commitment to assure that standards and principles of good governance such as accountability, democracy, shareholder participation/representation are firmly embedded within football governance structures"

"a commitment to open and balanced sporting competitions"

"a commitment to protect and develop a large and healthy professional football sector"

An MoU, even one that purports to be legally binding has to be entered into in good faith by BOTH sides. Can any of the above objectives be demonstrated to be untrue ? I'd say so.

It is also telling that the restrictions on taking remedial action against UEFA are onerously restrictive much to the glee of our friends in the media. That being the case, the impartial question would be "why ?". Why would an organisation committed to such good causes need to protect itself to the nth degree from independent scrutiny. The answer seems pretty obvious to me.

One last point that occurs, and I stand to be corrected on this, is that no group of people can enter into an MoU relating to activities that are against the law. So whatever they agree amongst themselves, if FFP is illegal, as I believe it is, no amount of UEFA and Agnelli (and his being the signatory on behalf of the ECA tells a story) over-rides that.

Again, it tells it is telling that FIFA has based itself in Switzerland. However, as the first 3 points in the memorandum detail, the rules govern football/clubs "at European level" and plying their trade in Europe. Much as UEFA may point to their extra-jurisdictional offices, I'm not sure they can escape European law.

We are taking on the establishment here and it is a war. We may lose battles but it's important not to allow ourselves to be distracted by bloggers like Castles, McGeehan etc and veer from confidence to despair. We'll win the war.


We are taking on the establishment here and it is a war. We may lose battles but it's important not to allow ourselves to be distracted by bloggers like Castles, McGeehan etc and veer from confidence to despair. We'll win the war.

This^^^^

And I'll add to that, the obvious victory parades in Twitter world and newspaper comments from fans of other clubs. Those who cant beat us on the pitch so will grasp at any straw, no matter how weak, to claim a victory but as NN says, not the war.
 
I must admit that it has taken time for me to get used to our success as a football team.
Of course our owner saw financial opportunity then delivered a masterclass in choosing people who could carry out a business plan for his investment. This part I am still in awe of.
I still feel a little uneasy about our football success, my dads charactor building virtue of being a City supporter has changed significantly.
See that’s interesting, the fact the entire establishment hates us makes me support city even more, and my dad raised me with the that in mind considering the we are the only part of the family that don’t support the rags. The success just makes them hate us more and in turn makes me love us more
 
See that’s interesting, the fact the entire establishment hates us makes me support city even more, and my dad raised me with the that in mind considering the we are the only part of the family that don’t support the rags. The success just makes them hate us more and in turn makes me love us more
Let's hope Pep feels the same
 
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