UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[M18CTID]

Well we need to play them at their own game. Instead of passing around them all match we need to shoot st every opportunity and players and crowd scream, "Handball!!!" every single time.

I'd sooner we just scored a few goals without reply so as to take the game away from any possible bent officiating

 

[burning blue soul]

I have a feeling that these "investigations" are a bit of a dance UEFA and City are going through. There is face to save and skeletons to be put back in closets, because without this investigation the issue would never go away. City will be threatening serious shit if another ban comes into effect from stolen information being divulged, and may i also suggest they will stop at absolutely nothing to "out" any other team they can in the same way.

Big can of snakes that UEFA/ECA are pissing around with here.

 

[dannyboy29]

I thought teams in the Pl would be begging us to play in the champions league. Imagine how far we would win the league by if we only had league games to concentrate on.

 

[Manchester33]

We're seeing some true colours come out now. When we were punished a few years ago I could understand why, I didn't agree with it.

Since then we've done the following:

- Reduced our transfer spending significantly
- Reduced our wage bill significantly
- Extended our stadium
- Built a state of the art training facility
- Built a state of the art Academy
- Built a footballing network around the world
- Sold a % of the club to Chinese investors (earning HHSM what he initially invested to buy the club)
- Continued to be successful on the pitch
- Started making a profit year on year

When considering punishments, I hope UEFA understand that we're no longer the City of 2010, we're a completely different entity.

We've already been punished for failing to meet FFP standards, surely UEFA should look into how we're behaving now? We should be compared to the likes of PSG (who've continued to spend incredible amounts of money) or Chelsea (who're hundreds of millions of £'s in debt). It can't be argued that what we did lead to an unfair advantage. Since FFP was introduced, 4 separate teams have won the Premier League, non have retained it. Compare that with Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Holland, Greece, Poland, Italy, Scotland etc. These countries have proven that FFP has hindered competitiveness as opposed to encouraging it. We cannot be stripped of European trophies we did not win.

Can we also note that both Leicester and Liverpool have failed FFP recently? The talk of docking points in a competition UEFA don't govern is laughable.

Realistically the punishments we will face are a transfer ban (something we could swallow) and exclusion from UEFA competitions for a year. The former wouldn't impact us too much, we have a young squad and a great manager. Banning from Europe would be bad for the money men at the club, but other big 6 clubs have shown it's hardly a nail in the club's coffin. In fact it's probably aided some clubs to title challenges.

 

[pavelsrnicek]

The one question we don’t know about is what was Rui Pinto trying to achieve with the documents hacked?

Did he attempt blackmail against anyone other than Doyen Sports? Did he try and sell the information? Was he some form of whistleblower as some Portuguese folks on twitter have implied.

I see in The Times article UEFA are asking for the documents seized. If that’s the case I think that will prove to be a serious legal battleground.

Unlike documents seized from an alleged criminal that show criminal activity, these are documents seized by authorities allegedly as a result of hacking. The activities shown are unlikely to be illegal but possibly in breach of regulations of a spirting authority.

The question is then who owns the documents? Will someone have to rule on whether documents can be given to UEFA or returned to the clubs? There are likely to be volumes of documents done of which will be commercially sensitive, will these be given to UEFA. There are likely to be conflicts of interest as some UEFA board members (Mr Gill) are also board members of other clubs.

In short a legal quagmire.

 

[oakiecokie]

Are you in the concerned camp mate?

I`d prefer to call them the "knicker wetters".

 

[Damanino]

Whats with the UAE sports minister guy or who the hell is he saying we should be punished if we broke the rules. Bit like putting our name trough dirt in media from a really unexpected place...

Other thing this Rui Pinto. Did he really alone was able to hack and steal all these documents we arent talking about City only it goes beyond us, Real, CR, Fifa, INfantino etc and who knows how much leaked documents are out there unpublished that Spiegel couldnt get their hands on yet.
How a young guy can do all this alone. Maybe he was collecting these emails for years.

He certainly deserves severe punishment yet media people are not out to make him look the bad guy here interesting. I am sure he hacked these stories to sell them and have a financial gain from it.

And people responsible at City for cybersecurity should answer as well. We spend millions for Mangala but we might only have a guy for minimum wage installing 30 day long NOD or Norton security firewalls on senior execs computers...

 

[wolfie1988]

United probably

Good strong argument that one. Really added to the thread. Well done

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I might be wrong but weren't the Aabar & Etisalat deals (presuming these are the ones we're talking about) already in place and the books submitted before UEFA moved the goalposts? I thought that was the crux of the matter and why City were so pissed with them.

You're correct and you reminded me that part of the settlement was that we agreed not to increase these deals.

Der Spiegel confirmed that UEFA knew of them and had challenged both the valuation & whether they were related parties. But the fact we failed FFP without having to test UEFA's reading of these deals rendered this issue as irrelevant I guess. But they knew and it could be argued that they were happy to let them go at these values.

 

[wolfie1988]

I think you missed my point.

Ah I see. The old "must be a United fan" because you don't follow the same thought process as everybody else.

Good argument.....

 

[oakiecokie]

Good strong argument that one. Really added to the thread. Well done

Once again you`re showing your "true colours".

 

[KS55]

We have kind of been here before in terms of reputation and the damage it can bring.

1905, I sure some of the older fans will remember.

However we survived.

And the red team stole half our players.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

The one question we don’t know about is what was Rui Pinto trying to achieve with the documents hacked?

Did he attempt blackmail against anyone other than Doyen Sports? Did he try and sell the information? Was he some form of whistleblower as some Portuguese folks on twitter have implied.

I see in The Times article UEFA are asking for the documents seized. If that’s the case I think that will prove to be a serious legal battleground.

Unlike documents seized from an alleged criminal that show criminal activity, these are documents seized by authorities allegedly as a result of hacking. The activities shown are unlikely to be illegal but possibly in breach of regulations of a spirting authority.

The question is then who owns the documents? Will someone have to rule on whether documents can be given to UEFA or returned to the clubs? There are likely to be volumes of documents done of which will be commercially sensitive, will these be given to UEFA. There are likely to be conflicts of interest as some UEFA board members (Mr Gill) are also board members of other clubs.

In short a legal quagmire.

Doesn't Gill stop being involved in UEFA this month?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Whats with the UAE sports minister guy or who the hell is he saying we should be punished if we broke the rules. Bit like putting our name trough dirt in media from a really unexpected place...

I don't see what else he could say.
"No, they are owned by AD, and are exempt to anyone else's rules"?

Ask a question knowing there's only one answer possible.

 

[rnblade]

Dippers at work are smirking and sticking their oar in as usual. I politely reminded them that they would have been banned for FFP breaches previously, but had failed to qualify for Europe.

CNUTS

 

[lazerblue]

Haha. Over inflation of transfer market. There’s only one club in Manchester that does this and it’s not City pal.

United supporter here. I seriously doubt if United are part and parcel of this cowardly conspiracy.
We have always prided ourselves on welcoming competition and beating the new challengers. Unless of course it may be Woodward who is behind it over the inflation of the transfer market.
But it's just not the United way. Could b Liverpool though, They were fuming when Chelsea starting winning after Abramovic and Mourinho rode into town.

what is this mysterious united way you speak of

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Also, to any obsessed fan of another club reading this... just remember, our potential exclusion is for some money men behind the scenes sending some daft emails. You got all English clubs banned for MURDERING innocent people. Imagine trying to take any form of moral high ground.


To fans of another club who may be reading this. Why not take a look through your clubs apparent illustrious history. You'll see how your club couldn't have played in Europe for the first few years unless we lent you our stadium which was up to standard.

Sorry but those things never happened .

 

[KS55]

I think the only people who will benefit from this are lawyers and the club as there will be a lot of media owners worried about potential libel charges when this all blows up in their faces. Can you imagine how the first conversation in court would go.

UEFA: Your honour we would like to present the evidence but the hacker who stole them has been imprisoned for his crimes and we have to rely on a German newspaper who he gave some of the emails to before he was charged, is that ok?

Judge: Case dismissed, all fees will be paid by UEFA and I award damages of £50m to MCFC

A perfect definition of optimism.

 

[wolfie1988]

Once again you`re showing your "true colours".

Yes. And to think I'd done quite well to hide them in my 15 years on this forum. Shame I've outed myself now

 

[remember arthur mann]

All looks a little too orchestrated for me !