UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[hammocity]

Bollocks

Says the Qatari apologist

 

[Newman Noggs]

Yeah I was about to post similar. There will currently be a panicked meetings at UEFA where someone purportedly in charge will be asking his underlings to see all the documents and hoping like fuck that they have all their ducks in a row.

The fact they didn’t see this coming suggests they don’t.

It's more faux surprise..."what..us..the guardians of the game...what could we possibly have done wrong ?"

They knew full well what was coming.

 

[SWP's back]

The question I want to ask any legal people on here.
If CAS throw it back to UEFA and say you have not done your investigations properly. Having not communicated with city on numerous issues and trying to rush it through to beat the deadline.
Are UEFA able to revisit it or is it now too late as the deadline has passed?

Part of me thinks this may have been a pre planned outcome between UEFA and City.
Basically UEFA can go back to the clubs pushing to punish city and say we did our best but ran out of time

I give the chances of City and UEFA being in cahoots at slightly less than a snowball in hell.

 

[SWP's back]

Says the Qatari apologist

No, says the person with knowledge of the situation. I’m no more a Qatari apologist than you or I are UAE apologists.

You’re just coming across as a know nothing cretin. You sound, towards Qatar and PSG, like Scousers and United fans do towards City and the UAE.

One would think that City fans, if anyone, would understand media bias and innuendo and not invent idiotic theories.

 

[The perfect fumble]

 

[@BluePhil8]

Uefa were stunned and surprised by the turn of events which came out of the blue and had not been flagged in advance to them.

Hahahahahaha this is so fucking mint it's one of the best things I've read on here hahahaha get fucked you arrogant ****s LMAO as if we need to brief you to do anything

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

This is the first of three options open to City and it is a very powerful approach. As PB pointed out CAS attach great importance to procedure and may not hesitate to throw out the case against City on the grounds that we have not been dealt with strictly according according to the procedure laid down. This does not involve any questioning of the legitimacy of FFP or of even of whether any evidence proves that City have actually broken the regulations which could drag on for years in the first case or months in the second. City's case appears very strong and I think it is going to be possible to argue that the interventions from senor Tebas and others are attempts to influence the investigatory commission. The timing of the too numerous leaks suggest an attempt to detract from, and devalue a uniquely successful season and render City's activity in the transfer window much more difficult. It does appear that UEFA have been taken by surprise and it must have "stunned" UEFA, if they are conspiring with a cartel of other clubs, that their undue haste and concern to make an example of City may well have backfired before it has really got under way. As Kieran Maguire says, a ban for the coming season is now virtually impossible and, we hope and think, any sanction is unlikely. The failure of the investigatory committee to abide by its own procedure appears to scream unfair treatment.

 

[Machiavelli]

No, says the person with knowledge of the situation. I’m no more a Qatari apologist than you or I are UAE apologists.

You’re just coming across as a know nothing cretin. You sound, towards Qatar and PSG, like Scousers and United fans do towards City and the UAE.

One would think that City fans, if anyone, would understand media bias and innuendo and not invent idiotic theories.

I said the same about him weeks ago and used the very same analogy.
He definitely has some issues with certain people’s ethnicity.

 

[HelloCity]

Yeah I was about to post similar. There will currently be a panicked meetings at UEFA where someone purportedly in charge will be asking his underlings to see all the documents and hoping like fuck that they have all their ducks in a row.

The fact they didn’t see this coming suggests they don’t.

I wonder when they first found out? Probably when the CAS called and informed them of the process. Maybe earlier this week which they then leaked to the press.

 

[Mid Wales blue]

City should employ the best Private Eye company in the World to dig up the Skeletons in The Swamp, Munich, Madrid and Barcelona.
Wasn't it an ex MD at the Swamp who had a passion for Call Girls.
You see where I'm going with this.

Do you think this hasn’t happened?

 

[MadchesterCity]

This trolling twat isn’t a city fan @Parisian and fuck knows why he’s still posting in this forum. He’s the Arsenal/Bayern fan that’s as welcome a fart in a lift.

Had hoped he would be banned by now, horrible troll

 

[The perfect fumble]

I give the chances of City and UEFA being in cahoots at slightly less than a snowball in hell.

This....

"Uefa were stunned and surprised by the turn of events which came out of the blue and had not been flagged in advance to them"

Would I be right in saying this is journalistic shorthand for UEFA's position and does not appear in any official communique from UEFA?

 

[CityStu]

Dan Roan mentions a ban that hasn't been mentioned by any official sources, inadvertently supporting City's view that a ban will be recommended with little study of the evidence.

Or the ban has been leaked as has the whole procedure, (or lack of one.)

That's the more coherent form of argument (realised 2 minutes after posting).

How does Roan know that UEFA have recommended a ban unless that info has been leaked?
If that info has been leaked then it's been leaked by UEFA.
If UEFA have leaked info then they haven't followed due process.

Unless Roan is posing a guess that UEFA will recommend a ban as fact (shoddy journalism). And why would he guess that unless he's been given information that should have been confidential as per UEFA's due process?

 

[BlueAnorak]

MEN.

CAS is arbitration so [normally] there has to have been a ruling made before CAS get involved, so it does seem a pre-emptive strike," said Kieran Maguire, a football finance expert at the University of Liverpool.

"In a sense, it's a defensive move from City - and it's perfectly valid. They feel that they have complied with all the relevant rules and that they've been picked on by certain clubs.

"The head of La Liga has been very vocal and the head of UEFA seems to want to pick a fight, with City and PSG easy targets. Going to CAS suggests City are getting all their ducks in a row.

"The application makes sense from a City point of view and also sends a signal to UEFA that they mean business."

Thick or what? UEFA have made a rulling, the Investigatory Chamber kicked it upstairs to Adjudicatory Chamber for sentencing- may I add breaking a number FFP process rules in doing so.

 

[spiny]

The 100 page dossier City submitted looks like the hot potatoe EUFA wanted to avoid so quickly booted it upstairs on the basis it fell outside their remit whilst pleasing their chums, and leaving it until the last day so no comeback on them.

Who knows what are the specific EUFA claims against City? In reply, evidence and context being made in the dossier to refute the allegations that City claim to have been ignored. We can only speculate but UEFA have found a way out whilst certain football clubs, media sycophants and individuals are firmly in the cross hairs.

There are people, especially in the media and also connected to football clubs, who should be worried about the outcome if the City claim about breach of process is up held and cartels, conspiracies, corruption and breaches in competive law comes to the fore.

 

[bobom]

My view is that this is down to the neutrality of the process. It cannot be right to have representatives of your biggest rivals on the panel that decides guilt or innocence. It cannot be right that the case is allowed to be publically aired by the media during the investigation. All of this is akin to a biased jury and inability to receive a fair trial due to the prior release of evidence.
I am delighted that we have lodged an appeal against the investigation. I feel that this could be the beginning of the end for the current incarnation of FFP.

I can't imagine those are serious objectives tbh. The presence of rivals in the governing body is pretty inevitable in sporting governance, and the 'biased jury' argument falls down because this is not, in fact, a jury trial. Not to say there will not be valid objections.

 

[blue ranger]

I hope and pray everyone’s optimism is rightly placed, but finding it hard to comprehend how everyone is automatically assuming that CAS will throw this out.

 

[91:23]

The 100 page dossier City submitted looks like the hot potatoe EUFA wanted to avoid so quickly booted it upstairs on the basis it fell outside their remit whilst pleasing their chums, and leaving it until the last day so no comeback on them.

Who knows what are the specific EUFA claims against City? In reply, evidence and context being made in the dossier to refute the allegations that City claim to have been ignored. We can only speculate but UEFA have found a way out whilst certain football clubs, media sycophants and individuals are firmly in the cross hairs.

There are people, especially in the media and also connected to football clubs, who should be worried about the outcome if the City claim about breach of process is up held and cartels, conspiracies, corruption and breaches in competive law comes to the fore.

Could it be that they are that stupid they just ignored it and moved it upstairs so that they could meet their 5 year timescales?

 

[Mid Wales blue]

The fuck are you doing arguing on the Echo website? I think I’d rather bite my own testes off, slowly.

Would you be head to toe in pvc, with a zip mouth, so you could chew at your own pace?

 

[VOOMER]

I can't imagine those are serious objectives tbh. The presence of rivals in the governing body is pretty inevitable in sporting governance, and the 'biased jury' argument falls down because this is not, in fact, a jury trial. Not to say there will not be valid objections.

sniff sniff