UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[razman]

The new york times guy sticking to his story

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

My take is that we went to CAS because it was our belief that UEFA hadn't followed their own process and therefore any investigation was invalid. All CAS has done is to say they can't rule on that appeal because UEFA haven't finished their investigation. By taking the original appeal to CAS we were sending a very clear message to UEFA and I suspect that we knew all along that CAS wouldn't rule on an investigation before it had ended. This ruling today means absolutely nothing IMO.

 

[daveyboybluemoon]

This all hinges on the accuracy of The Athletic report.

Let's hope they haven't simply tagged Sam Lee in on a dual by-line to give it a degree of City legitimacy.

If he is involved, then he will have made sure of an official steer from Simon Heggie.

Having thought about this, i reckon The Athletic would think this is pretty solid info. They are trying to build there reputation as high quality reporting (& to be fair I've read quite few articles & they have been very good) & as they are a subscription based services rather than relying on clicks for ad revenue, there reputation relies on them being trusted. If they get this wrong it would be a big hit to Sam's & The Athletics credibility

 

[cheekybids]

But we don't know
All we do know is that, the case has been passed up the ladder to the AC, so we are where we were before City lodged the appeal to CAS

I'm hoping that CAS have actually looked at the case and told UEFA that their process is flawed and even if they do find us guilty, City are bound to lodge the appeal again to CAS and CAS will find in our favour, so the best thing to do is say there isn't evidence with a similar statement that was made by the FA on the Sancho case

" the FA conducted a nine-month investigation into the allegations, but they could not find any evidence to substantiate the claims of City's illegal payment"

That’s how I see it, often decisions are made & negotiates then announced. The idea is for everyone to have a win win situation.

CAS have told UEFA you’ve got yourself into this mess you have an opportunity to get yourself out of it.

My concern is that City realise they can’t trust the “established” & they will never be accepted & City should not forgive the malicious damaging campaign they’ve been behind.

Charges should be dropped with a full apology & charges laid against those behind it. A full statement explaining & heads must roll.

City should then press charges against Der Spiegel & the many journalists & publications spreading inflammatory hate & lies.

City should then announce at a press conference that they have been victims of a malicious campaign & announce evidence of;

- Liverpool hacking City & other rival clubs scout 7
- Dossier of referees that have been identified as corrupt & retired mid season.
- Evidence that this has continued.

The list of shit housery is far bigger than I have time to list.

 

[dhruvblue]

 

[Marvin]

If Sam Lee is careful with his words, which I am sure he is given he's a journalist, then this implies that they know what the outcome is of the adjudicatory committee is. i.e the UEFA investigation is over, and there will be no ban

 

[SilverFox2]

Seems we cannot appeal to cas about process until a sentence has been decided ie no sentence decided by ac requires no appeal.by city.
Hopefully this is the route.

Possibly uefa have been informed that this decision of no punishment will prevent them losing an appeal on procedural grounds.

Not sure the lower chamber will like that though.

 

[dhruvblue]

 

[ancoats]

this week has been like pulling teeth for anybody involved with manchester city and your left asking what next can happen

i still will never understand how and why somebody invested his own personal wealth into football and manchester city makes the biggest tidal wave and tsunami right across the board in football, and both codes and ruling bodies Fifa and uefa in my book should be welcoming the investment because the money we spend is going back to football clubs who inflate the transfer fee because they know manchester city have money

also if i was the owner of a so called big club i would welcome the challenge of manchester city, its what football is about and football gets stale very quick if one team keeps winning every season and fans turn off, so you need fresh blood and it also keeps your house in our knowing a challenge as been set

Ac milan and real madrid united liverpool and the rest all did what manchester city are trying to do, sign the best players and win the biggest trophy the champions league, and it does not come cheap ?? even back than AC milan and real madrid paid big transfer fees with money that was not just from there clubs own revenue but investment by somebody else its how football works
when you sell your club and have a backer investing his money or he takes out big loans on the clubs assets, its nothing new to football and just take a look at the biggest so called clubs debts and you will fined the reason

can football live without major money investment NOPE so why punish a single club for having rich owners who are investing in football and not just in manchester city
crazy crazy crazy

 

[waspish]

Apparently Sam Lee is on a podcast with Ahsan Naeem rergarding the UEFA situation

Anyone got access to it and report ?

Here you go £40 a year well worth it outstanding content.

https://ninetythreetwenty.com/9320-player/9320-player-installation/

 

[dadnlad]

Talkshite big gob white has his black hat on ..... guilty as charged

 

[Marvin]

Seems we cannot appeal to cas about process until a sentence has been decided ie no sentence decided by ac requires no appeal.by city.
Hopefully this is the route.

Possibly uefa have been informed that this decision of no punishment will prevent them losing an appeal on procedural grounds.

Not sure the lower chamber will like that though.

As someone else commented there are hawks and doves in European football.

UEFA AC though has to satisfy itself that it can make charges stick so regardless of what LFC, La Liga etc want, they need more than that to shut us down.

The strength of the Athletics statements lead me to believe that they now know what the results of that AC investigation are. I hope I am right and they are right.

Others want City to be exonerated. I find that impossible to believe. UEFA will fudge it to get between the hawks and doves. City will then appeal to CAS. It will go on an on.

 

[the talisman]

So journalists know in advance that we’re not getting banned?
Fuck me UEFA needs one almighty clean up.

 

[Marvin]

Speculative: I have a feeling the Adjudicatory Committee recommendation will go before a UEFA exec committee and I'm looking at Friday the 13th December as a possible date.

I base this on expectation of how a organisation like UEFA world work, and what we know about the UEFA Executive. They meet once every two months, and historically they have met after the final group games, and the Friday is when Adjudicatory Committee decisions appear to have been ratified in the past. If you look in the football media. They are all talking about a December announcement.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

If it was as straightforward as that you'd think City's lawyers and CAS might have noticed at the outset. Presumably the club proceeded on the grounds that the IC decision had been accepted for adjudication together with the implication of guilt contained in that process. It has taken several months and a request from UEFA for this finding that after all - surprise, surprise - the AC has the power to reject the IC judgement on the grounds that no transgression of the rules has taken place.

I think the two are relatively separate. I'm sure City's lawyers have advised UEFA of their opinions, and this was the reasoning of raising it at CAS - just exploring every avenue. CAS just have no jurisdiction on this yet.

I'm sure all sides know the AC's options in this, and this hasn't surprised anyone.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

You forgot the Atalanta defender in the first game punching the ball away in the penalty area, with the ref two yards away!

Everything else, bang on.

I don’t think VAR was in place, but the decision that made me laugh even more than Aguero’s booking for ‘diving’ against Monaco, was the ref’s refusal to give Leroy a penalty when he was not so much fouled as harvested by the keeper away to Hoffenheim. He almost jackknifed Leroy through a full 360 degrees. Incredible refereeing

 

[MillionMilesAway]

My take is that we went to CAS because it was our belief that UEFA hadn't followed their own process and therefore any investigation was invalid. All CAS has done is to say they can't rule on that appeal because UEFA haven't finished their investigation. By taking the original appeal to CAS we were sending a very clear message to UEFA and I suspect that we knew all along that CAS wouldn't rule on an investigation before it had ended. This ruling today means absolutely nothing IMO.

Yes. Even Simon Stone thinks it's 'as you were'. What it absolutely isn't is a rejection of an appeal; it's that there is nothing for CAS to rule about an appeal on.

 

[Centurions]

Probably been asked but if the UEFA AC recommend a fine can City take the same complaint back to CAS that UEFAs own due process wasn't followed? And if so and CAS throw our complaint out can we then go back to CAS about the fine itself?

This really could run and run.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Speculative: I have a feeling the Adjudicatory Committee recommendation will go before a UEFA exec committee and I'm looking at Friday the 13th December as a possible date.

I base this on expectation of how a organisation like UEFA world work, and what we know about the UEFA Executive. They meet once every two months, and historically they have met after the final group games, and the Friday is when Adjudicatory Committee decisions appear to have been ratified in the past. If you look in the football media. They are all talking about a December announcement.

Could be a very good day to bury bad news being as we will have an almighty piece of crap elected as PM the day before, whoever wins..

 

[dickie davies]

Probably been asked but if the UEFA AC recommend a fine can City take the same complaint back to CAS that UEFAs own due process wasn't followed? And if so and CAS throw our complaint out can we then go back to CAS about the fine itself?

This really could run and run.

To recommend a fine then they will have had to have found us guilty of something, and if they do, that's when City can go back to CAS, although CAS in their statement said about all other legal avenues. So whether there are other processes which need to be explored first before returning to CAS, I don't know