UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BringBackSwales]

Even BBC radio Manchester, you know, our local station, failed to go into any kind of detail as to why it “failed” and what it all actually means truthfully, pretty bad really that even they are happy to go along the sensationalist line.

Is that the same BBC radio Manchester that binned off Ian Cheeseman for saying it as it is about Anthony Taylor?

 

[BringBackSwales]

Another way of looking at it - if CAS had upheld our appeal, we would have faced the accusation 'Well, you only got off on a technicality because UEFA cocked up'. In any case, we want to win the case on the facts - not a technicality. Khaldoon is so right on this point.

If that’s the case why did we go to the CAS in the first place?

 

[Cobwebcat]

If that’s the case why did we go to the CAS in the first place?

To send a message to UEFA that it was no more Mr Nice guy and every step will be challenged.

 

[KS55]

I'd say you're wrong on that last bit as the 5 year time limit for reopening a case has passed. UEFA is now time-barred from bringing a case that relates to the 2014 settlement. This is their only shot at this.

No, I think the clock stopped.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

As is so often the case, the Japanese have just what one needs.

The potential of the human mind never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

But we are a "big boy" now and are only growing
So which horse should UEFA back, us or Liverpool?
Or do they find that the case against us doesn't have enough evidence and tell the old guard "we tried our best, but didn't have enough time"

Liverpool has a global fanbase that dwarfs ours and more pertinently they are not a lone warrior. They are part of a much larger snide collective

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

If the CAS and UEFA AC is a genuine evidence-based process, last chances and motive wont count.

Of the two, I have a lot more faith in the former body. The UEFA AC is still part of UEFA, ie two cheeks of the same arse. I agree though, our case seems pretty strong from both an evidentiary and procedural perspective.

 

[johnnytapia]

CAS wouldn’t make a judgement before any sanction handed down by UEFA. City can only go to CAS after UEFA impose sanction.

As I said on Thursday.

 

[SilverFox2]

I still think they will find us guilty of a lesser trumped-up charge that allows them to fine us a paltry amount, which we will begrudgingly accept in order to draw a line under the whole affair.

Maybe as long as they give a full statement that completely clears the Club from all aspects of FFP suspicion.
Otherwise see you in court.

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

Liverpool has a global fanbase that dwarfs ours and more pertinently they are not a lone warrior. They are part of a much larger snide collective

The social media figures for global fan base suggest otherwise, liverpool are only a few million ahead of City, it’s just another myth.

Last time I checked, across all major platforms they were three million ahead, and if I remember correctly that was mainly due to Twitter followers, it would be correct to say united are far ahead but definitely not true for liverpool.

 

[SilverFox2]

Oh, how I wish I was a lawyer working for City on this.

They must be earning a fortune thanks to UEFA.

Hopefully City will recoup some of that money by winning their rigged, fixed, and corrupt CL?

Can our owner directly fund legal fees without risking FFP problems?

 

[cheekybids]

It's City that are under investigation. We are not in a position to finish anyone.

We may have information, and proof but who regulates and controls football? The Premier League, the FA, UEFA etc. It's self-regulated. It's not easy bringing these people to account.

Look at Spygate. Those are incredible allegations. Only one British newspaper is following the story. I'd love to be able to turn the tables on them but it's not so easy. As Pep points out, LFC, MUFC, Arsenal, barcelona, Real madrid have been controlling football for 40 years. The institutions of football have been built by them, and are staffed by them and the media are in their pockets.

They’ve broken the law, hacking is illegal so we should take it to the right authorities.

I’m pretty certain that all of the other things we know about, collusion is also illegal & if we have a dossier n bent refs that were kept a secret whilst negotiating billion dollar deals then they can be fcked.

 

[johnnytapia]

You are wrong

Think you'll find I was right.

 

[johnnytapia]

Nothing new there

Nothing new in me being right. Again.

 

[SilverFox2]

Think you're getting mixed up with what the media said. They were right in theory but I reckon deals have been done.

So there probably has been some sort of arbitration that reached an acceptable agreement, this time witnessed and brokered by cas?

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

The social media figures for global fan base suggest otherwise, liverpool are only a few million ahead of City, it’s just another myth.

Last time I checked, across all major platforms they were three million ahead, and if I remember correctly that was mainly due to Twitter followers, it would be correct to say united are far ahead but definitely not true for liverpool.

Come on, seriously. Half of the sub-continent supports them. Our fanbase might be growing fairly rapidly, but they're 40 years ahead of us.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

Does the background make much difference?

You reckon our media is going to exonerate City and apologise if UEFA do so? No they will say FFP is broke, and City's money held sway. UEFA have been bought etc etc.

All that matters is that City survive relatively unscathed so we can continue to fight on the pitch.

My hope is we get through without a ban, and that Liverpool then come under scrutiny through Spygate.

The Member Associations contribute to UEFA and of course it has commercial deals. It's just a company like any other - a business. But we have no representation at the top table. All our rivals have (even PSG) - plenty of opportunity for them to scheme against us.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

I'm going to be a pedant & pick you up on terminology. CAS never heard our appeal but stated that the UEFA Adjudicatory chamber was the competent body to complete the process, rather than them.

However I do agree that there's a large element of truth in what you said as I think UEFA would have been quite happy for CAS to throw the whole investigation out as that left them looking like the injured party and us with mud still sticking to us.

Ok, they rejected our representations or whatever on the basis that UEFA is the competent body. Not quite how the media are reporting it though (no surprise there).

 

[SilverFox2]

It was always my understanding that the AC was free to make any decision, subject to executive ratification. The Athletic's report says there wont be a punishment which means either that the AC has met, or it means that there is strong new evidence, or it means that the UEFA judicial process is not free and City have received some assurance from their executive.

Or of course the Athletic could be wrong or over-egging their understanding.

It's not clear-cut. I'm still positive because an Exclusive No ban is a strong claim and only made with good reason, but it just seems hard to justify given the reported timeline. I think it only makes sense if the case has been ongoing and subject to discussion and negotiation with UEFA after the Investigatory Chamber's referral.

Trying to understand what powers the ac have.
I thought they simply were there to administer a suitable punishment after the lower assembly found us guilty or otherwise.
Do they have the power to find an incorrect verdict ?
If so no problem but I see a situation where we are incorrectly found guilty but no punishment is delivered.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

If that’s the case why did we go to the CAS in the first place?

I guess it was worth a try. Personally, I would like to see UEFA bods on the stand and cross examined by our lawyers as they try to defend FFP. As far as I'm aware, there's no law in 'this' country preventing someone taking over a business and growing it to compete with the established giants. What's wrong with that?