UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BillCarlisle]

Its clear that Der Spiegel when they analyzed the hacked emails and UEFA using DS interpretation have attributed the term His Highness to mean HH Sheikh Mansour

"The remaining 12 million GBP requirement will come from alternative sources provided by His Highness."
With just a single sentence, Pearce confirmed the accusations that his club had repeatedly, indignantly rejected: Namely, that His Highness, Sheikh Mansour, paid a portion of the sponsoring money himself!

Posters experienced in UAE protocol have confirmed that HH is ONLY ever used when referring to UAE President HH Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, other members of the royal family are only referred to as HH + name

Could be that's the "irrefutable evidence" that Khaldoon has referred to. If so, it only requires a top legal expert in UAE affairs to confirm it and the whole UEFA case would collapse. It would be an amazing balls up by UEFA if they didn't do their homework on this, but stranger things have happened.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Would you perchance put your name forward for inclusion on the CAS panel?
:)

They're all taken....

"Oh no! It's Khaldoon!"

 

[Cornish_Blue]

I reckon that will come, maybe not one big statement but a series of supportive statements. Its already starting to happen.

The club will say very little utill the legals are done.

Too right!! Keep our cards close to our chest until we drop the bomb on those cünts. Give them nothing to ‘reveal/hack’.
I just hope we are going out all guns blazing against the whole lot of them from this day forward. They’ve all had it too easy for far too long. Snidey remarks, down to blatant disrespectful reporting.

 

[Nails]

Intermittent blindness, terrible affliction.

I mentioned PB's data in the comments to Syed's piece in The Times. They fuckers took it down.

 

[cheekybids]

I mentioned PB's data in the comments to Syed's piece in The Times. They fuckers took it down.

Now that’s “corruption”.

 

[sir baconface]

For Madrid they've got the Prestwich Blue range in the club shop....

Haha. Most disappointed the wig isn’t sky blue though.

 

[Cornish_Blue]

It would be priceless to hear if City get admonished by CAS, then go ahead with a court case against UEFA.
Would be lovely to put a pre-trial ‘offer’ to them.
Nah, fuck it. Take them for EVERYTHING. It’s what they want to do to us.

 

[the talisman]

Be careful assuming either side are idiots. There are enough contradictions in this thread about the HH stuff. Moreover, you’d expect there to be some sort of audit trail on the sponsorship payments rather than anyone relying on the e-mails as sole evidence.

I agree. No one wants this case thrown out and City cleared more than me, but there is a level of confidence on this thread that I find hard to share.
I don’t believe UEFA are as thick as they are being made out and I don’t trust CAS.
For all the so called experts on here, it’s funny that not one poster predicted the 2 year ban.

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Now that’s “corruption”.

Syed !!
ha that sad Brexit turncoat gooner

 

[Saddleworth2]

Haha. I'd be chucked out of court for using bad language within 15 minutes.

But the Booz Allen presentation was leaked a few years ago and we already know the club (and presumably Abu Dhabi) policy on legitimising leaked or hacked documents.

I see the fail this morning is still presenting as fact that Sheik Mansour paid all but £8m of the Etihad sponsorship. I am assuming that this may be the irrefutable evidence that the club has. It says much that we are being banned for 2 years for a straightforward misrepresentation/mistake of fact. Surely there must be more to it than this?

 

[Allnightlong]

Be careful assuming either side are idiots. There are enough contradictions in this thread about the HH stuff. Moreover, you’d expect there to be some sort of audit trail on the sponsorship payments rather than anyone relying on the e-mails as sole evidence.

B b b b b David Conn has seen reciepts and invoices. Its not like taking a jumper back to Mark and Sparks.

 

[Sir peace frog]

I was having a chat with a united friend and he wasn't taking the piss really just saying what if pep leaves, what if this happens, and my answer was, I don't give a fuck, wouldn't give a fuck if they relagated us to non league, because it would be worth it watching everyone else shit it as we got nearer and nearer back to the premier league, it would be like a fucking horror film for them, fuck em all.

Above all though I want our name cleared, once and for all

 

[Allnightlong]

I mentioned PB's data in the comments to Syed's piece in The Times. They fuckers took it down.

seriously?? what a bunch of......

 

[Nightmare Walking]

I've found a document that confirms the Etihad sponsorship was covered by the Executive Council, not ADUG. It was part of the Open Skies case brought by the US airlines against the Gulf ones (Etihad, Qatar & Emirates) and claimed that they were in receipt of huge government subsidies. As part of their defence Etihad had a presentation done for the Crown Prince, MBZ, by consultants Booz Allen.
Link here: http://www.openandfairskies.com/press-releases/newly-unearthed-etihad-documents/

Go to the link saying "major legal submission" and it'll open a PDF. On page 14 it says:

So there you have it. The Etihad sponsorship money, at least that money that wasn't paid from their own funds, came from the Executive Council, not ADUG.

Colin is the issue with UEFA that they think ADUG paid the money for the Etihad deal? If it can be proven the money came from the executive council and not ADUG, would this make a difference?
Also did the executive council pay the money directly into City's accounts and does this make any difference?

 

[cookster]

Could be that's the "irrefutable evidence" that Khaldoon has referred to. If so, it only requires a top legal expert in UAE affairs to confirm it and the whole UEFA case would collapse. It would be an amazing balls up by UEFA if they didn't do their homework on this, but stranger things have happened.

Whilst I'd like to believe this to be the smoking gun there has got to be an audit trail for the monies involved. If the money went Etihad > City then it would be appear to be Ok as we cannot be held to account where Etihad get their funds. However, if it's XXXX > City for the alleged ~58m then hopefully we can account for it.

If the scenario is where did Etihad get the monies for the sponsorship and was it being subsidised by HH SM, then PB's research comes into play.

 

[Rolee]

I see the fail this morning is still presenting as fact that Sheik Mansour paid all but £8m of the Etihad sponsorship. I am assuming that this may be the irrefutable evidence that the club has. It says much that we are being banned for 2 years for a straightforward misrepresentation/mistake of fact. Surely there must be more to it than this?

How could they possibly know this unless the details of UEFA's case were made public? Did Sportsmail Reporter write that or has anyone put their name to it?

 

[badaz52]

Can we say this has been the difference this year? player morale low, manager morale low because they knew what was coming? I don't know.

I hope that this gets overturned I really do. I'm more worried about the rumors that the PL is going to wade in on this now as well and slap us with a points reduction now too. FFP is a strange system in that how is any club supposed to challenge the leaders in club football if they don't inject tons of cash from anywhere that they can?? it is all good and well our owners saying they have irrefutable evidence to back themselves up but they are still relatively new to the football world from a business perspective, aren't they? have they got it wrong?

I don't know what to make of it all, to be honest, I'm shocked and concerned for the future of the club especially if they lose their appeal. Our owners have had constant issues with UEFA since they took charge as well and this could be the end of our success story. Never the less, whatever happens, we will all be CTID and whether in Europe or not, in the PL or not our support will be as strong as ever.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Firstly this thread is getting hard to follow so apologies if already asked. I keep reading 10 pages or so but missing lots. @Ric Time for a some kind of summary sticky page maybe?

So am I correct in thinking that Cas will investigate that UEFA followed procedure and their investigation is limited to that? So when do City get to put forward our 'irrefutable evidence'?

No doubt during the process they will refer to the dossier we provided to UEFA that holds our evidence so there is little doubt that CAS will get to see it.

There main focus though will be on did Uefa follow their own processes and governance. If they find that this was seriously breached at any stage they should find in our favour.

We would have to take this to a court of law to get the evidence properly examined.from what I have read this would most likely be in Switzerland.

 

[Newman Noggs]

I've fought the feeling for some time but I may as well admit that I'm enjoying this.

It didn't sit well with me that we were joining the cartel in shitting on historic clubs like Villa, Wolves, Everton etc not to mention any fan who ever had a dream of winning something.

Someone had to do something about the cartel ruining football and, quite honestly, I'm proud, but not surprised, that it's us.

 

[Saddleworth2]

How could they possibly know this unless the details of UEFA's case were made public? Did Sportsmail Reporter write that or has anyone put their name to it?

It was part of the toxic article by Herbert.