UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[The perfect fumble]

Actually you are wrong. Money can be moved via any number of bank accounts between businesses, its where it starts and ends that matters, along with the correct cross invoicing or other mechanism of recording the movements such as an inter co loan etc.

I agree it looks worse than we would like but its not illegal and is done all the time between business entities for all sorts of reasons.

I agree with your last sentence, but there's no barrier regarding related entities in these transaction, there is with FFP.

 

[RayCTID]

In the grand scheme of things this doesn't mean anything significant (just like their reporting) but from today the Guardian and every single one of their journalist doesn't exist as far as I am concerned.

 

[KS55]

It's Syed that's the cheating ping pong guy.

Whiff whaff, please.

 

[purplenose]

HEY JOURNO'S. Hope you are having a lovely day. Whilst you're cutting and pasting, have a listen to Adrian Durham on drive last night (just go on listen again on talksport.com - I'm sure you can get someone young in the office to show you how to do it) and also read Martin Samual's articles over the last few days. These are two journalists that are not City, United, Liverpool or Arsenal fans - so unbiased - and look how they have KNOWLEDGE about what they are talking and writing about. Because of their skill and confidence in their professional ability, they can form a balanced and un biased view and not to scared shitless that they must write and speak about what their bosses agenda is instructing them to write. Professionalism guys and girls - go on I'm sure one or two of you have it lurking in there somewhere. Ok I know some of you are just sewer rats, but surely there's on or two more of you with an ounce of professionalism and pride left in you. REACH FOR IT YOU LOVELY, CARING PEOPLE (Caroline Flack would say hi if she could) Fortunately, City's owners are obviously strong enough and powerful enough to no succumb to the same fate as that poor woman did after your vile bullying. Anyway, you have a great day and I hope your families are well and secure in the fact that you are a huge contributer to lies, bullying, racism, unprofessionalism and slander. They must be very proud

Outstanding.

 

[nmc]

Can't agree with you Marv.
IMO if it comes from ADUG it comes from ADUG.
But what do I know.
I'm not an expensive lawyer.

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood but I think you might have crossed wires. We are owned by ADUG and Der Spiegel claim the monies were paid to Etihad by ADUG. Since they interpreted HH to be Sheikh Mansoor. I think PB has proved beyond reasonable doubt that that HH is actually Sheikh Mohammed - head of the Government- so the monies paid to Etihad are paid by its owner the UAE government. Whilst this leaves us open to accusations of state funding it’s not against FFP. That said - can all this be about such a simple misunderstanding? I thought not but few if any journalists seem able to get their minds around it so god help UEFA.

 

[johnnytapia]

As a man in orthopaedic shoes says, I stand corrected.

For the record Prestwich Blue does excellent work and whilst no doubt a bit of bias may come in from time to time, his information is the most reliable out there and more balanced. I hope the club unofficially recognise how he helps our fan base.

I am sure this is covered elsewhere but the whole deal does not make sense. If we over-stated sponsorships I get what we are accused off but the deal with Etihad, where we supposedly so desperate for a company we could top up that we have kit sponsorship and stadium naming rights for £8 million??? This includes consistent CL and seasons we won the league.

Just doesn’t seem right if they had paid 50 million and the sheikh topped it up to 80 million (I could see the potential for that scenario, not saying it happened) but to sell all that for just 8 million seems crazy.

The only other explanation is that it is not circumventing FFP at all, but being given deliberately cheap to help the airline out and then money topped up to City is to give the market value.

I just wonder why this is not talked about?

You're recommending City "unofficially recognise" - what could possibly go wrong?!?

 

[KS55]

thanks, looks like we'll have to wait till Friday

I read somewhere that there is a presser post game.

 

[Marvin]

Can't agree with you Marv.
IMO if it comes from ADUG it comes from ADUG.
But what do I know.
I'm not an expensive lawyer.

Me neither. I have no idea what route the Etihad funds took before reaching City's accounts but I am confident that the ulitimate source was some combination of the UAE Exec Council and Etihad.

I don't see why it would matter what particularly route it went through and who organised it unless there was an issue about related parties. If the transaction is of fair market value that is of no significance.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

I know it's Tony Evans but a lot of what he says in there is true. It will never happen (and shoudln't) though because a lot of things which would be exposed are confidential for a reason.

agree. It would be a start if the flipping emulator of European football actuall published the reasons why it has imposed a huge sanction on a club though. Still to hear of a plausible reason why they wouldn’t. It’s a massive conflict of interest for Eufa to run the European game and regulate it

 

[Marvin]

I read somewhere that there is a presser post game.

That's what I thought too. No pre-match press conference on the grounds that the pre-match press conference has already been fulfilled but of course no post-match press conference ever took place.

 

[johnnytapia]

City will be making a claim for damages against UEFA.

Fans might think about doing likewise with some of the comments in the media (Jonathan Liew the latest https://www.dumptheguardian.com/foo...re-not-the-sort-to-take-punishment-lying-down). Apologies or yet another MUG post but when City fans are called out in the media then it can't be ignored.

"Trawl the City messageboards in the wake of Uefa’s decision to ban the club from the Champions League for two seasons, and it won’t take you long to stumble across the rhetoric of scorched earth: of traitors and revolutionaries, violence and purgation, shady cartels and subhuman scum." I recognise shady cartes, but revolutionaries and violence? Not sure Ric will be too happy with that...he's clearly referring to Bluemoon.

He should try reading his own article back and put himself in our shoes.

And that's just in regards to the fans. Also proclaims yet again that Man City = Abu Dhabi and equates the UAE with a dictatorship. Well it maybe, but your state created it and you never comment about the million Arab lives it took.

I really hope that on Wednesday night not one City fan comments in their match report. That is what we should aim for.

The same article that has a lovely photo of City v Spurs walking out for the "champions league semi-final". Which is strange, 'cos Spurs then had to play another semi-final against Ajax. Maybe we can have the Liverpool win annulled as they only had to play one semi-final.

 

[Len Rum]

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood but I think you might have crossed wires. We are owned by ADUG and Der Spiegel claim the monies were paid to Etihad by ADUG. Since they interpreted HH to be Sheikh Mansoor. I think PB has proved beyond reasonable doubt that that HH is actually Sheikh Mohammed - head of the Government- so the monies paid to Etihad are paid by its owner the UAE government. Whilst this leaves us open to accusations of state funding it’s not against FFP. That said - can all this be about such a simple misunderstanding? I thought not but few if any journalists seem able to get their minds around it so god help UEFA.

I think the trail indicates the money originated from the EC but MAY have been routed through ADUG.
My point is that if this is the case then the routing through ADUG is not just a trivial post box issue.
The result being that we could be in breach of FFP.

 

[badaz52]

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood but I think you might have crossed wires. We are owned by ADUG and Der Spiegel claim the monies were paid to Etihad by ADUG. Since they interpreted HH to be Sheikh Mansoor. I think PB has proved beyond reasonable doubt that that HH is actually Sheikh Mohammed - head of the Government- so the monies paid to Etihad are paid by its owner the UAE government. Whilst this leaves us open to accusations of state funding it’s not against FFP. That said - can all this be about such a simple misunderstanding? I thought not but few if any journalists seem able to get their minds around it so god help UEFA.

It could just be a misunderstanding but didn't City try and block UEFA's investigation in November because the information presented had been obtained unlawfully?

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

That's what I thought too. No pre-match press conference on the grounds that the pre-match press conference has already been fulfilled but of course no post-match press conference ever took place.

Why not ? We had a post match thread. Lazy sods ;-)

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Can't agree with you Marv.
IMO if it comes from ADUG it comes from ADUG.
But what do I know.
I'm not an expensive lawyer.

If I owe Marv a tenner and then give it to you to pass on who has it come from. Whose bank balance is £10 lighter?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I called him out on it and he assured me I didn’t know how it works so I’ve literally had to screen shot it from UEFA for him.

Nice work. It’s hardly surprising that he doesn’t know how CL TV money gets distributed as it was never an issue for him when he tried to run a club.

 

[John Wayne]

Apologies if I’ve misunderstood but I think you might have crossed wires. We are owned by ADUG and Der Spiegel claim the monies were paid to Etihad by ADUG. Since they interpreted HH to be Sheikh Mansoor. I think PB has proved beyond reasonable doubt that that HH is actually Sheikh Mohammed - head of the Government- so the monies paid to Etihad are paid by its owner the UAE government. Whilst this leaves us open to accusations of state funding it’s not against FFP. That said - can all this be about such a simple misunderstanding? I thought not but few if any journalists seem able to get their minds around it so god help UEFA.

And we should remind ourselves of the uncharacteristic, bullish statements from the club in all of this - "comprehensive body of irrefutable evidence". These statements are carefully crafted by solicitors. CAS has to issue a thorough determination addressing all of our arguments. If it is irrefutable, they have to side with us. If it isn't then the club needs to look at personnel change.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Apparently "If you break ze rules you should be punished" from no lesser genius as "Le Professeur" A. Wenger.

What a typically academic and inciteful comment for Talkshite to run with. Journalism at its best.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I think the trail indicates the money originated from the EC but MAY have been routed through ADUG.
My point is that if this is the case then the routing through ADUG is not just a trivial post box issue.
The result being that we could be in breach of FFP.

I think it could certainly be argued this way.

We're kind of second guessing what the IC actually put forward, of course.

 

[Marvin]

Surely it is the editor who has the final say on what ever the jurno's decide to print. The first point would be to complain to the editor in this case it would be the sports editor. There is also the ultimate choice of refusing to by the paper. Just say for one week every City fan would refuse to by for an e.g. The Daily Mirror how many papers would be returned back to the paper printing site . This would be in the hundred's of thousands, if not the millions. This would cost that paper a hell of a lot of lost revenue. The board would be doing an investigation as to why so many have been returned and if they did find out that journo could end up loosing his job.

Guardian is online. Renumeration and promotion may well be linked to reads and comments because these variables drive profits. If so, City fans should boycott it otherwise they would literally finance it and promote the writer.

You can of course increase their costs by complaining to their readers editor.