UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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I’m not a fan of Liew and his turgid writing style, but based on the construction of that sentence I’m not sure I agree with your analysis of those words.
My error. I have re-read and understood the context in which 'sub-human' was deployed.

Mea culpa, Gordon, mea culpa.
 
I still can't work out why it took 6 months before CAS decided City's complaint should be rejected because it could be addressed by the Adjudicatory Chamber after all. The damage was already done, the probity of the Investigatory stage was destroyed by fundamental confidentiality requirements being repeatedly breached by Leterme. In such circumstances UEFA's entire sanction process was openly undermined and exposed as a wholly corrupt and racist attack on us.
 
I'd not really looked at the argument before, but Parisian put it brilliantly last night.

Does UEFA seriously consider City would only be able to charge £8m per annum for the sponsoring of our shirt, stadium and training campus?

And the next time someone you hear or know states we have been inflating our sponsorship, kindly tell them to fuck off in the general above pertinent point.

UEFA was already on record as stating the Etihad deal was fair value (ten years ago) nor a related party.

So which is it, we are inflating sponsorship that is deemed fair value, or the Etihad cash is being topped up by a non-related party!

UEFA are really questioning where a sponsor is getting their funds from to pay for sponsorship of a football club. Only, it isn't really any of their business and if they think it is, why are all other sponsors within the game not subjected to the same scrutiny?
 
You really shouldn't.

CAS need to throw this out stating the process was flawed while on the QT City agree not pursue it further.

maybe so..but we need to make sure that this doesn't happen again further down the line. Hence the stance we have taken - we took the pinch last time under their corrupt governing rule. Our owners who do world wide business and are reported to conduct that business with both honour and confidentiality and have just been thrown to the dogs by UEFA

That shouldn't and hasn't gone down well at all.
 


This is an interesting comment from the head of commercial activities of OctagonUK, one of the partner of UEFA and trusted audit firm used for fair value market assessment.

He wonders why Puma made this statement. If they weren't sure, it would have been best for them not to comment. So City must have given them solid proof of being cleared in an appeal.

This is 2014 Octagon valuation of City sponsorship :



Worth noting that the minimum value given to Etihad deal is 40 and maximum is 50. Even though it is lower than the actual deal, it is nowhere near close to the 8 M figure. This alone should tell the attacks on City aren't legit.
 
Can you clarify where this information comes from?

My guess would more likely be, if requested CAS will suspend a ban providing that the appeal is not seen as trying to get around the ban and that it would adversely affect the competition if it wasn't suspended , ie it has merit. I don't believe that CAS will look at likely success so if they do suspend the ban then we shouldn't assume that its a sign of likely success

Sorry probably used the wrong chose of words. It will be based on an assessment of the merits of City's appeal.

CAS dont just automatically suspend a ban at the request of an individual or organisation. From my understanding (im not a lawyer or anything and like everyone on here we have just read a lot about it from previous cases etc) you have to have put forward a case that shows you have a chance of success at appeal. IF CAS do suspend the ban then it does indeed mean the case we put forward to them has a chance of success. Weather that means a reduction of ban/fine or acquittal remains to be seen
 
UEFA are really questioning where a sponsor is getting their funds from to pay for sponsorship of a football club. Only, it isn't really any of their business and if they think it is, why are all other sponsors within the game not subjected to the same scrutiny?

Is exactly what one of our points should hopefully be

Bayern being just one
 
Wenger's more dangerous than the GPC ever was. What UEFA have done is bring together lots of football people with a like-minded distrust of City where they obsess about us every day and the combined feelings have boiled over to pure hatred. It's comical, really, that an organisation designed to promote and safeguard a sport and its members has let itself get so sidetracked with its determination to do exactly the opposite of its purpose. The idea of FFP to deny rich clubs a monopoly at the expense of other teams is sound in theory, but UEFA have proved they have no idea how to implement such a mechanism.

Let these haters continue to spout their nonsense, it's all evidence pointing to collusion by other clubs.

I think Wenger’s first side would have failed ffp. He benefited from Fiszmann bankrolling him. He got the initial heavy investment he is now trying to deny anyone else, such a hypocrite.
 
maybe so..but we need to make sure that this doesn't happen again further down the line. Hence the stance we have taken - we took the pinch last time under their corrupt governing rule. Our owners who do world wide business and are reported to conduct that business with both honour and confidentiality and have just been thrown to the dogs by UEFA

That shouldn't and hasn't gone down well at all.
Possibly our targets may be persons rather than Organisations or even Clubs?
 
Boo-hoo, ickle old city and their owner pinched my players and stopped me competing...so you old fossil it had nothing to do with you not wanting to spend any money or your own clubs owners not wanting to make the next step

Get to fuck you old dinosaur

He and his poxy club gladly took City's 'financially doped' money though. The wizened senile old hypocrite.
 
but I think people are more or less of the same opinion here that City have been teetering on the edge of FFP for some time and may or may not have slipped up
Speak for yourself. My opinion is that the Club were caught when goal posts were moved by UEFA, took their ‘Pinch’ and were subsequently released by UEFA from all of the restrictions applied and a large proportion of the fine refunded. The release was done on a binding legal basis. What evidence do you have that the club has been ‘teetering on the edge’?
 
When the club tried to stop the investigation in November and was told by the CAS that UEFA could continue and could use the material that was gained unlawfully, the writing was on the wall. UEFA was always going to reach this decision.

I'm sure it will come out in time but we don't know what other information UEFA have regarding this but I think people are more or less of the same opinion here that City have been teetering on the edge of FFP for some time and may or may not have slipped up. Unless UEFA can prove that SM moved money himself or directly instructed someone in the government to do so to fund his own projects (conflict of interest) UEFA haven't got a leg to stand on.

Having read the 35 pages of the CAS decision I don't see any reference to CAS saying anything about hacked emails

In fact Manchester City who lodged the appeal did not mention the unlawfully obtained materials so there was no reason for CAS to consider it

“MCFC submits this Appeal against the Referral Decision and Leaks Decision of the IC. In short: (a) the Referral Decision and Leaks Decision are both final decisions of the IC and therefore within the scope of CAS’s jurisdiction; (b) the IC exceeded its jurisdiction in making the Referral Decision; (c) UEFA has systematically breached, and continues to breach, its duty of confidence; CAS 2019/A/6298 Manchester City FC v. UEFA - Page 11 (d) the Referral Decision was made improperly and prematurely, while the Investigation was still ongoing, despite the fact that the IC is only empowered to make a decision to refer a case at the end of an Investigation; (e) the Investigation and the Decision lacked procedural fairness and due process; and (f) the Decision and the Leaks have caused, and continue to cause, MCFC serious harm and loss.
 
What do City have to gain from that. The damage to our reputation has been done.
I don't want us getting off on a technicality.
City should go for the jugular and ruin the fuckers.

The damage is done, it cannot be undone by anything City does, but if the club agrees quietly to let it go if CAS comes down in our favour, then it's not continual trench war for UEFA.
 


This is an interesting comment from the head of commercial activities of OctagonUK, one of the partner of UEFA and trusted audit firm used for fair value market assessment.

He wonders why Puma made this statement. If they weren't sure, it would have been best for them not to comment. So City must have given them solid proof of being cleared in an appeal.

This is 2014 Octagon valuation of City sponsorship :



Worth noting that the minimum value given to Etihad deal is 40 and maximum is 50. Even though it is lower than the actual deal, it is nowhere near close to the 8 M figure. This alone should tell the attacks on City aren't legit.

BM's finest should all decamp to Lausanne and surround the enemy.
 
Dont give him/her any respect as they are not due any.

All day yesterday they have been spouting utter shite on this subject and they continue to do so, despite being put right and pointed in the direction of facts that prove his opinions are not worth jack shit.

Still, us getting banned has woken him up on here so not all is lost.

Hopefully when its thrown out they will go back to sleep again until the next thing that pricks their attention.

I can say what I want, whether you like it or not I don't give a shit. I'm still reading articles daily on this as you are and asking questions and making suggestions it is a DISCUSSION FORUM. You can keep trying to shut me up all you want. Sorry, I don't have time to make 47,000 posts like you but my support is true. You are unbelievably naive if you think that this is an open and shut case and we will come out smelling of roses, we are in a fucked up situation whether you like it or not.

You hate UEFA I get it but to be so convinced that the club has done no wrong without looking at the immense possibilities that WE MIGHT HAVE is stupid.
 
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