UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[HypnoticBlue]

Graham Souness at his glorious best, I have nothing but 100% respect for this man, has and always been the finest football pundit and a wonderful footballer.

Suppose it does help that his wife is a big Blue, but he always stands our corner as a pundit, I like him as he always talks sense.


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[goldcoastblue]

Fuck it round it up to £200 mill..

and if they cant afford ity, we can get HH to top it up ;)

 

[razman]

Any background please on this spy business ? @FCBarca

 

[jacko74]

Yeah seems to hold a bit of a grudge,talks positive then throws in a few digs when you here him anytime,did someone not post something about us blocking a potential move of some sort for him once or got injured and that scuppered it remember reading something on here on a thread about something along those lines..

I doubt he's ever had much love or commitment for the club, many years ago my dad worked at the Express and would often go in to the Land o' Cakes over the road at the end of his shift... one time Quinn was in there and my dad got chatting to him, at the time he had been out for a few weeks with an injury, my dad said to him it must be frustrating not being able to play and his reply was he didn't give a toss and was still getting paid whether he was playing or sitting at home with his feet up.

An honest answer I suppose but not what a fan really wants to hear.

 

[Andrew___K]

I don't think you need to worry about this. Our stance (CFG) is that the reasoning behind FFP is a flawed concept and not fit for purpose. It does not allow any club to progress (if you can only spend revenue you earn - how on earth can a club in the bottom half of the league table progress?). It's a totally flawed philosophy. Those clubs would have to attract the big football superstars, and sell their shirts, yet without any investment risk from the club owner. These UEFA cretins are deluded, and need to take early retirement. There is no club in the bottom half of the Premier League that will be able to purchase 60 million pound players just on their revenue and shirt sales/sponsorship's alone. That's ridiculous. Certain clubs have been able to attract certain players simply 'because' somebody bought a club and invested (took a big gamble) with their own money. I don't see any problem with that - as long as the owner isn't bank-rolling the club on loans - which our guy is certainly not doing. The only problem I see is bitterness and jealousy.

You're making things up I'm afraid. When did any of CFG representatives claim that? They are not against FFP.

 

[FCBarca]

Any background please on this spy business ? @FCBarca

All part of the social media propaganda campaign bombshell this week

 

[MillisleBlue]

I can't help making comparisons between UEFA and a mafia-styled protection racket.

 

[avoidconfusion]

I don't think you need to worry about this. Our stance (CFG) is that the reasoning behind FFP is a flawed concept and not fit for purpose. It does not allow any club to progress (if you can only spend revenue you earn - how on earth can a club in the bottom half of the league table progress?). It's a totally flawed philosophy. Those clubs would have to attract the big football superstars, and sell their shirts, yet without any investment risk from the club owner. These UEFA cretins are deluded, and need to take early retirement. There is no club in the bottom half of the Premier League that will be able to purchase 60 million pound players just on their revenue and shirt sales/sponsorship's alone. That's ridiculous. Certain clubs have been able to attract certain players simply 'because' somebody bought a club and invested (took a big gamble) with their own money. I don't see any problem with that - as long as the owner isn't bank-rolling the club on loans - which our guy is certainly not doing. The only problem I see is bitterness and jealousy.

We are not contesting FFP at the CAS though... we are contesting the allegation that we broke FFP

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I wish we would replace Etihad with something like Amazon with a mega deal soon. Whatever is Etihad paying us know, a stadium sponsor name plus shirt sponsor must worth a lot of money combined. I think the original agreement was for 10 years in 2011 for the stadium name. End of next season it could be changing.

Get in a 5 year deal with Amazon for 150m fee per year for shirt+ stadium name combo. Imagine Nick Harris and the rest of rotten twitter clowns. haha

Actually, if Etihad still want to sponsor us I want the letters bigger on the shirt and plastered everywhere confirming our association for the right price.........

 

[urban genie]

Any background please on this spy business ? @FCBarca

Barca are mired in financial improproiety, the last president rosell was in jail at one point for fruad though was aquitted is still under investigation, the present president has been making overtures to bring Pep back for months on the sly and was also implicated in the neymar tax fiddle.


Think Pep is just saying don' t throw stones when I know how bent you are

 

[City_rabin]

Errm... think that one was a joke, mate.

Jeez. Due apologies.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Graham Souness at his glorious best, I have nothing but 100% respect for this man, has and always been the finest football pundit and a wonderful footballer.

Suppose it does help that his wife is a big Blue, but he always stands our corner as a pundit, I like him as he always talks sense.


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I love that response, not just from souness but from the whole panel. Especially as the anchor wanted a different narrative

it isn’t the fact that they were in our corner, the main point is that they get what uefa and the cabal have done to football

 

[DenisLawBackHeel74]

Take a bow Graeme Souness.

also, Peps comments were great. Love the man.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Any background please on this spy business ? @FCBarca

Barca are mired in financial improproiety, the last president rosell was in jail at one point for fruad though was aquitted is still under investigation, the present president has been making overtures to bring Pep back for months on the sly and was also implicated in the neymar tax fiddle.


Think Pep is just saying don' t throw stones when I know how bent you are

not just that. The presidency at Barcelona is coming up for renewal. And apparently the club has employed an agency to spy on his opponent to dig up dirt on him

“The company was hired to create a positive image for Bartomeu and other board of directors. According to the program, Barcelona have confirmed the hiring of this company and this scandal may not die down anytime soon.”

“Meanwhile, former candidate for the Catalan club’s presidency Agustí Benedito has claimed he will file a lawsuit against Bartomeu and he wants answers for this scandal in court.“

 

[Dubai Blue]

I think enough information has come out that we can already take a stab at what happened or at least Citys version of it.

The out of context emails say ADUG paid for Etihad which would be breaking FFP. We now know thanks to @Prestwich_Blue that this is not what actually happened and the executive council paid - fine by FFP.

Leterme has a history of ignoring evidence he doesn't like without justification. This is known from the PSG case where he ignored independent valuation to benefit PSG despite the objections of the other people on the investigatory panel.

If ADUG did not pay the sponsorship this would be recorded in bank statements/transfers which would be conclusive and "irrefutable"


Soriano says that the CFCB relied more on the out of context emails than anything the club gave them.


A possible narrative is forming about what happened in the IC.

But what are the AC doing in all this? Why did they rubber stamp it if it's so easily overturned at CAS, which it would be if that's what happened.

Because in their eyes, we're a state-owned club using state money to fund sponsorships. The source of those funds doesn't much matter as far as they're concerned.

Legally, of course, there's a big difference between the money coming from ADUG or from the Executive Council, but it all looks and feels the same to them (and the whinging set of bastards from Bayern, Barcelona, United, etc. who have no doubt been egging them on).

So, they've sought to cause as much reputational damage to City as possible, in the hope that some of it sticks even after CAS overrule them.

 

[razman]

Fair play to simon stone

Also mention why external media didn't take the Ferran interview

 

[Scoobz1]

You sound such an intelligent chap - obviously know a lot about changing attitudes and credibility of source material.

Your talking shit, you keep repeating your shit and it's still shit

 

[lancs blue]

Fair play to simon stone

Also mention why external media didn't take the Ferran interview

Is it me or has there been a bit of a sea change in the media coverage over the last 24 hours? Perhaps a few have woken up to the fact that nothing is as clear cut as they would like it to be.

 

[Gordyola]

Because the 2 chambers are one. The one that should represent independence, doesn’t.

Maybe the chairman of the AC
José Narciso da Cunha Rodrigues
A prominent human rights judge couldn’t separate his 2 jobs and got a hard on about AbuDhabi

 

[danielwood5]

There is not a fucking question about it and I raised this point 2 days ago.

How any man, with any dignity and more than anything, allegiance to Manchester City FC can stand up and say there isn’t an agenda against our football club, is not a blue in my eyes. I’m sorry, but that’s how I see it.

Those people who are sitting on the fence and still trying to defend there point after what has gone on in the last week is do gooding. Simple as that. Fucking do gooders trying to prove something that doesn’t exist.

UEFA have fucked themselves here. The strength of the punishment is going to cause them some serious pain. It is the final swing of a beaten boxer.

When this is all done it will be as significant as the BOSMAN ruling and it will be clear as day the agenda that is currently in operation against this incredible football club.

We will win. And when we do it will be better for football right across the board.

The cartel will be disrupted but they will have a chance to win just like everyone else because it will be a fair and level playing field.

If they can’t stick that, then tough fucking shit

I agree with pretty much all you've said here but I'm not convinced that we want a 'fair and level playing field' after all we were part of the 'cartel' of six teams that had an 'agenda' of reducing solidarity payments from UEFA to the rest of the teams in the league. We definitely want a level playing field with Liverpool, Barca, Munich, etc but we don't want Everton, West Ham or Newcastle to have a 'level playing field' with us.
That's why I don't think we'll make any effort to remove FFP when this is all over, why would our management team want to invite any more competition than we already have?
I really can't get angry about somebody at Barcelona saying they'd like us to be banned, if I saw half a chance then I'd love Barcelona, Real Madrid, Juventus, Liverpool, Atletico or any other semi decent team banned from the Champions League next year as is it would make it easier for to win it and make it harder for a direct rival to challenge us in the transfer market.
We need to realise that this whole battle isn't about making football fairer for all teams, it's about fighting for what's best for us.