UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Gordyola]

As I understand it the chamber only listens to evidence given by the UEFA prosecutor and is only allowed to judge the case solely on what he provides. By all accounts we provided a 200 page document in our defence, to this day it remains unopened. It's beyond me why the process doesn't have a representative for the prosecution and the defence but my understanding is it doesn't, it doesn't take a huge leap of faith (given the setup) that we were found guilty.

I thing CAS will only look at the procedural aspect of the case, they will not look at all as to whether the verdict was correct. I'm not sure if CAS use the same group of people as UEFA but even if they do we get to pick one and CAS get to pick one, this gives us a fighting chance of the case being looked at by a more sympathetic group.

CAS have a pool of legal people to choose from, none of them will have any UEFA connections

 

[davek1808]

That worries me a little because I’m of the opinion that could be an indication of a possible agreement somewhere down the line with UEFA. Personally, I’d rather we fight this to the end and if after a proper, legal, transparent process has been followed City are guilty then ‘fair dos’, let’s accept our punishment whatever that may be. If however City are proved innocent then UEFA will be shown to be corrupt and may well collapse, ending their cosy relationships. If we do a deal we become part of football governance’s problem, part of an elite who don’t give a stuff about ambition etc. PSG, CFC and others have taken a path of cosying up - we should fight this to the end, whatever the cost to UEFA. Our reputation is in the gutter already, so if we do a deal at any point the abuse heading our way will increase significantly because we will be perceived as ‘buying a place at the top table’ as well as buying success and, presumably accused of bribing UEFA to avoid a fight. All or nothing for me if we want football to be fair, transparent and open to all.

 

[Dubai Blue]

I fully agree with this. It's almost unknown for any CEO to speak in quite such bullish terms, because he's gone quite some way beyond the outward show of confidence that's usual in business in comparable situations.

It's hard to see why he'd do so unless he (and our legal advisers) fully believe what he's said. If City don't end up with what can be universally seen as a convincing win at the end of the process, then this interview is going to come back to haunt him in a major way. He and the lawyers must know this, so the fact he's gone ahead anyway is very significant IMO.

Exactly. There's no way that the tone of what he said should just be dismissed as your standard perp claiming innocence.

He could have simply said "We have evidence that we believe contradicts the AC's findings and, as such, think we have a very strong case." But he didn't; he went several steps beyond that and is going to look very silly indeed if it turns out this was all just a show of bravado with no substance to back it up.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Can’t see the tweet, what was it?

 

[blueinsa]

That worries me a little because I’m of the opinion that could be an indication of a possible agreement somewhere down the line with UEFA. Personally, I’d rather we fight this to the end and if after a proper, legal, transparent process has been followed City are guilty then ‘fair dos’, let’s accept our punishment whatever that may be. If however City are proved innocent then UEFA will be shown to be corrupt and may well collapse, ending their cosy relationships. If we do a deal we become part of football governance’s problem, part of an elite who don’t give a stuff about ambition etc. PSG, CFC and others have taken a path of cosying up - we should fight this to the end, whatever the cost to UEFA. Our reputation is in the gutter already, so if we do a deal at any point the abuse heading our way will increase significantly because we will be perceived as ‘buying a place at the top table’ as well as buying success and, presumably accused of bribing UEFA to avoid a fight. All or nothing for me if we want football to be fair, transparent and open to all.

Agree 100%

I am 100% behind the club here and those at the top but if they settle this without beating it once and for all then they are as bad as those we are fighting right now.

 

[blueinsa]

Can’t see the tweet, what was it?

Breaking: PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi charged with criminal offences in Switzerland, for giving ‘undue advantages’ to ex FIFA gen-sec Jerome Valcke, who is charged with ‘aggravated criminal mismanagement’ and accepting bribes.

The heat is on!

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Can’t see the tweet, what was it?

David Conn@david_conn
https://twitter.com/david_conn/status/1230430331490226178

Breaking: PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi charged with criminal offences in Switzerland, for giving ‘undue advantages’ to ex FIFA gen-sec Jerome Valcke, who is charged with ‘aggravated criminal mismanagement’ and accepting bribes.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

While awkward for UEFA as he's on their exec - I think as the rep for the European Club Association - is this anything to do with actions for UEFA or PSG?

 

[bobmcfc]

Can’t see the tweet, what was it?

Have you blocked David conn ?

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Talking of Souness, I hope all those blues who gave him totally unwarranted shit from the City end at Villa are suitably proud right now.

Bang out of order.

He’s a sound bloke. I spoke to him at Brighton last year, he had the time to speak to all blues that walked up to him. The rest of the presenters fucked off yet it was Souness who had a chat to everyone. His Mrs is a blue and he’s got nothing but praise for us.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

That's the farce; they sit there, hang, draw and quarter the club, offering little in mitigation on the Club's comments or reference to our appeal or stance with apparent "irrefutable evidence" and then expect the Club to meekly invite them in for a grilling!

CITY HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO TELL YOU WHAT THE EVIDENCE IS THAT THEY HAVE.

The media still haven't called out UEFA for proof of guilt...

 

[bobmcfc]

While awkward for UEFA as he's on their exec - I think as the rep for the European Club Association - is this anything to do with actions for UEFA or PSG?

I’m sure Uefa can distance themselves from their own members grubby dealings. I wonder how many more of them can be shown as having their own hand in the pot

 

[lancs blue]

The first domino?

 

[moomba]

As I understand it the chamber only listens to evidence given by the UEFA prosecutor and is only allowed to judge the case solely on what he provides. By all accounts we provided a 200 page document in our defence, to this day it remains unopened.

That would astonish me if that was the case.

 

[petrusha]

Breaking: PSG president Nasser Al-Khelaifi charged with criminal offences in Switzerland, for giving ‘undue advantages’ to ex FIFA gen-sec Jerome Valcke, who is charged with ‘aggravated criminal mismanagement’ and accepting bribes.

Now, to suggest a link would be akin to putting two and two together and coming up with a couple of thousand, but the timing is interesting. It's certainly a serendipitous coincidence that this comes shortly after Martin Ziegler suggested that City think Qatar was behind the hack on City's emails which kicked of the Der Speigel stuff and led to where we are now, while Sam Lee said on the 9320 podcast the other day that City believe that not only Real Madrid but also PSG lobbied hard for us to be punished by UEFA in the current matter.

 

[foggy1974]

Anyone else reading that as Pep know’s where their bodies are buried?

That's fighting talk from Pep about his beloved Barca, which I wouldn't of expected

 

[Roachy]

As I understand it the chamber only listens to evidence given by the UEFA prosecutor and is only allowed to judge the case solely on what he provides. By all accounts we provided a 200 page document in our defence, to this day it remains unopened. It's beyond me why the process doesn't have a representative for the prosecution and the defence but my understanding is it doesn't, it doesn't take a huge leap of faith (given the setup) that we were found guilty.

I thing CAS will only look at the procedural aspect of the case, they will not look at all as to whether the verdict was correct. I'm not sure if CAS use the same group of people as UEFA but even if they do we get to pick one and CAS get to pick one, this gives us a fighting chance of the case being looked at by a more sympathetic group.

Rule 57 of the CAS procedural code starts with the following sentence :

R57 Scope of Panel’s Review – Hearing
The Panel has full power to review the facts and the law.

I read that as meaning CAS can rule on the evidential facts as well as procedural matters.

 

[razman]

hmmm....so many dramas going on at the minute

@Parisian

 

[Rammy Blue]

Have you blocked David conn ?

Nah, don’t really use Twitter much. Must have been a glitch in the matrix, they are showing again now.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Now, to suggest a link would be akin to putting two and two together and coming up with a couple of thousand, but the timing is interesting. It's certainly a serendipitous coincidence that this comes shortly after Martin Ziegler suggested that City think Qatar was behind the hack on City's emails which kicked of the Der Speigel stuff and led to where we are now, while Sam Lee said on the 9320 podcast the other day that City believe that not only Real Madrid but also PSG lobbied hard for us to be punished by UEFA in the current matter.

The winds of wrath bite deep.