UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

If UEFA imposed a salary cap, the clubs will find away around it. This salary cap if introduced will only benefit the clubs from the big 6 countries. It will be of no benefit to the countries like the Czech republic, Iceland etc. This where the players wages are already well below what other parts of Europe.
So what will be the point of a salary cap.

The one and only way around this problem is to have something along the lines of which I call COP. This stands for CAN OWNERS PAY. In other words for example Man UTD. owe millions of pounds to the bank. Should the bank say to Mr Ed Woodward, you now have 2 months to pay of at least 50% of the clubs debt. If this is not possible then we have only 1 choice and that is to withdraw any more finance for the club and to file for bankruptcy.

Any owners taking over a club that is in debt. Will have to show that they have sufficient funds to cover the debt at by X3. This is just in case the banks come calling for their money.

There is no doubt that clubs would find a way round a UEFA salary cap and there is no doubt that UEFA would allow CERTAIN clubs a way round a salary cap. Just as in 1904 one club would NOT be allowed any escape but it is now 2020 and governments do not consider wages paid by any business to be any business of the state and therefore owners of football clubs really would drag UEFA through every court in Europe if they were put at a competitive disadvantage. It would be impossible for UEFA to apply a cap consistently without alienating the cartel while avoiding humiliation in court for anti-competitive action and commercial discrimination. This is several steps too far even for the concrete skulls at UEFA - especially at a time when a part of City's case against UEFA is the idiosyncratic, eccentric and downright discriminatory way FFP is applied.

With regards to your COP I am sympathetic personally though I think there are real problems in application. Debt is an accepted way of financing investment in the world economy and UEFA shied away from dealing with debt because certain clubs threatened legal action. A bank can wind up a club for debt but no bank would ever tolerate being told by UEFA to wind up a club and UEFA would ever dare to wind up a club. As we are constantly reminded, debt is something most of us have - in particular to buy a house or a car etc - and we pay it off over quite a long period. How many of us could meet a demand to pay off half what we owe on our house in two months or get out! I do think investment is the answer to club finance, investment guaranteed by income and/or cash which owners/shareholders do produce but it is hard to see how this can be achieved within the framework of English and/or European law. The Glazers could not have bought a club and then saddled it with the cost in the USA but in England it's fine. UEFA are going to find out that FFP is, however, completely, totally and utterly unlawful and unenforceable when it fiddles with sponsorship and breaking even.

 

[Gazza]

There is no doubt that clubs would find a way round a UEFA salary cap and there is no doubt that UEFA would allow CERTAIN clubs a way round a salary cap. Just as in 1904 one club would NOT be allowed any escape but it is now 2020 and governments do not consider wages paid by any business to be any business of the state and therefore owners of football clubs really would drag UEFA through every court in Europe if they were put at a competitive disadvantage. It would be impossible for UEFA to apply a cap consistently without alienating the cartel while avoiding humiliation in court for anti-competitive action and commercial discrimination. This is several steps too far even for the concrete skulls at UEFA - especially at a time when a part of City's case against UEFA is the idiosyncratic, eccentric and downright discriminatory way FFP is applied.

With regards to your COP I am sympathetic personally though I think there are real problems in application. Debt is an accepted way of financing investment in the world economy and UEFA shied away from dealing with debt because certain clubs threatened legal action. A bank can wind up a club for debt but no bank would ever tolerate being told by UEFA to wind up a club and UEFA would ever dare to wind up a club. As we are constantly reminded, debt is something most of us have - in particular to buy a house or a car etc - and we pay it off over quite a long period. How many of us could meet a demand to pay off half what we owe on our house in two months or get out! I do think investment is the answer to club finance, investment guaranteed by income and/or cash which owners/shareholders do produce but it is hard to see how this can be achieved within the framework of English and/or European law. The Glazers could not have bought a club and then saddled it with the cost in the USA but in England it's fine. UEFA are going to find out that FFP is, however, completely, totally and utterly unlawful and unenforceable when it fiddles with sponsorship and breaking even.

UEFA may bring in some sort of co-efficient rating for each team that would reflect their achievements in years gone by and then use this co-efficient to give clubs with history direct access to their competitions regardless of how well they were playing in their domestic leagues at the time.

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

UEFA may bring in some sort of co-efficient rating for each team that would reflect their achievements in years gone by and then use this co-efficient to give clubs with history direct access to their competitions regardless of how well they were playing in their domestic leagues at the time.

Yeh do over last 5 years so its relevant.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Sam Lee has changed his position since his "exclusive" at the back end last year where suggested we'd only get a fine..his sources were wrong on that one... but he is now thinking the ban will be upheld. He said on a pod this week as well that people he'd spoken to around the club weren't confident.

I like Sam but he is out of his depth IMO with FFP stuff. Hope he gets this completely wrong :)

The tweet is from today but the article he links to is about 10 days old:

 

[kaz7]

Sam Lee has changed his position since his "exclusive" at the back end last year where suggested we'd only get a fine..his sources were wrong on that one... but he is now thinking the ban will be upheld. He said on a pod this week as well that people he'd spoken to around the club weren't confident.

I like Sam but he is out of his depth IMO with FFP stuff. Hope he gets this completely wrong :)

The tweet is from today but the article he links to is about 10 days old:

He really needs to stop this,he is just guessing

 

[Barcon]

Sam Lee has changed his position since his "exclusive" at the back end last year where suggested we'd only get a fine..his sources were wrong on that one... but he is now thinking the ban will be upheld. He said on a pod this week as well that people he'd spoken to around the club weren't confident.

I like Sam but he is out of his depth IMO with FFP stuff. Hope he gets this completely wrong :)

The tweet is from today but the article he links to is about 10 days old:

Didn't he make a cock of himself a couple of weeks ago?

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Didn't he make a cock of himself a couple of weeks ago?

He always makes a cock out of himself.
He’s another two-bit pundit with the rare ability of occasionally being able to write properly.

Never understood why some people here have sentiment towards him.

 

[Barcon]

He always makes a cock out of himself.
He’s another two-bit pundit with the rare ability of occasionally being able to write properly.



Never understood why some people here have sentiment towards him.

Agreed. He's shit.

 

[M18CTID]

Sam Lee has changed his position since his "exclusive" at the back end last year where suggested we'd only get a fine..his sources were wrong on that one... but he is now thinking the ban will be upheld. He said on a pod this week as well that people he'd spoken to around the club weren't confident.

I like Sam but he is out of his depth IMO with FFP stuff. Hope he gets this completely wrong :)

The tweet is from today but the article he links to is about 10 days old:

Spot on. When someone asked him a FFP-related question several months ago on Twitter he said it wasn't his domain and someone like Nick Harris would be better placed to answer ffs!

As you say, he seems a nice enough bloke - unlike many of his other fellow journalists - but he's best off sticking to stuff he does know about rather than trying to call it based on 2 so-called "experts" talking about a series of hypothetical scenarios relating to the appeal.

 

[nmc]

He always makes a cock out of himself.
He’s another two-bit pundit with the rare ability of occasionally being able to write properly.

Never understood why some people here have sentiment towards him.

I’m beginning to think his ‘club contacts’ are one of the comfy chairs in the reception and a lawnmower. He’s not well connected at all and a bit of a billy bullshitter. Don’t know him personally and he may be a nice guy but he knows nothing about City safe for what’s in the public domain. The Athletic promised lots but hiring a broad cross section of the existing UK sports journalists has just given the same old crowd a new place to spout shit unfortunately- and if you are daft enough you can pay to read it.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Agreed. He's shit.

Each to their own.

I like him mainly based on most of the pods I hear him on - 93:20, Bluemoon, Athletic etc etc.
Also, some of his written stuff on the Athletic is v good but he flounders with FFP.

 

[Pablo ZZZ Peroni]

Spot on. When someone asked him a FFP-related question several months ago on Twitter he said it wasn't his domain and someone like Nick Harris would be better placed to answer ffs!

As you say, he seems a nice enough bloke - unlike many of his other fellow journalists - but he's best off sticking to stuff he does know about rather than trying to call it based on 2 so-called "experts" talking about a series of hypothetical scenarios relating to the appeal.

Yep, exactly this. Also heard him on second captains pod a few months back about FFP and he was an embarassment then. On the other hand, he was a guest with Ahsan on 93:20 this week with just the 2 of them chating for well over an hour and that was v good.

 

[The blue phantom]

Each to their own.

I like him mainly based on most of the pods I hear him on - 93:20, Bluemoon, Athletic etc etc.
Also, some of his written stuff on the Athletic is v good but he flounders with FFP.

He's also been a sneaky cùnt towards us too with some articles in the past, I just can't trust Journalists, and a Rag one like him even more.

 

[bluemanchester]

Sam Lee has changed his position since his "exclusive" at the back end last year where suggested we'd only get a fine..his sources were wrong on that one... but he is now thinking the ban will be upheld. He said on a pod this week as well that people he'd spoken to around the club weren't confident.

I like Sam but he is out of his depth IMO with FFP stuff. Hope he gets this completely wrong :)

The tweet is from today but the article he links to is about 10 days old:

"People at the club were not confident"
Well Sam Lee, I have known many influential people at City over the years and before our present owners you would always hear details of what was going on. Since 2008 nothing, diddly squat, nowt gets out that the directors don't want out. Mr Lee is peddling nonsence because no one of influence at City would give him any information of what the main men are thinking.

 

[kaz7]

"People at the club were not confident"
Well Sam Lee, I have known many influential people at City over the years and before our present owners you would always hear details of what was going on. Since 2008 nothing, diddly squat, nowt gets out that the directors don't want out. Mr Lee is peddling nonsence because no one of influence at City would give him any information of what the main men are thinking.

I would say soriano would not make a dick of himself on camera if he wasn't completely confident,i will believe him for now thanks sam

 

[Silva2021]

Seeing UEFA’s decision today that sporting merit will decide CL spots meaning that United finish 5th (2 points ahead of Sheffield United with game more played).

I am unfortunately more confident then ever of the ban being upheld and our place going to the scum.

Those VAR decisions such as that Everton one have really done their job

 

[decmancity]

I’m beginning to think his ‘club contacts’ are one of the comfy chairs in the reception and a lawnmower. He’s not well connected at all and a bit of a billy bullshitter. Don’t know him personally and he may be a nice guy but he knows nothing about City safe for what’s in the public domain. The Athletic promised lots but hiring a broad cross section of the existing UK sports journalists has just given the same old crowd a new place to spout shit unfortunately- and if you are daft enough you can pay to read it.

He seemingly got plenty of transfer bits of news, although more holes for that info to get out.

As for The Athletic, its a great website if you read more than just about Football so please dont tar it with that rubbish. They hired what they could and left a lot of the other suspects out thankfully.

 

[SilverFox2]

Sam Lee has changed his position since his "exclusive" at the back end last year where suggested we'd only get a fine..his sources were wrong on that one... but he is now thinking the ban will be upheld. He said on a pod this week as well that people he'd spoken to around the club weren't confident.

I like Sam but he is out of his depth IMO with FFP stuff. Hope he gets this completely wrong :)

The tweet is from today but the article he links to is about 10 days old:

If he is guessing perhaps his writings will be seen more by those who want us banned. Not sure his employers are sympathetic to anything other than revenue at the moment.

 

[kaz7]

Seeing UEFA’s decision today that sporting merit will decide CL spots meaning that United finish 5th (2 points ahead of Sheffield United with game more played).

I am unfortunately more confident then ever of the ban being upheld and our place going to the scum.

Those VAR decisions such as that Everton one have really done their job

yep all those disallowed goals against them recently have probably done the job,as soon as we got banned they started getting decisions that not the dippers get,it was blatant to get them fourth

 

[goatersnipple]

Seeing UEFA’s decision today that sporting merit will decide CL spots meaning that United finish 5th (2 points ahead of Sheffield United with game more played).

I am unfortunately more confident then ever of the ban being upheld and our place going to the scum.

Those VAR decisions such as that Everton one have really done their job

I really am starting to get fucked off with football.
It's so bent it's not worth bothering