UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[laserblue]

It means we will carry on with one arm behind our backs because by the time we get back into CL our squad, coefficient and footballing ability will have been seriously damaged. Our rivals will have a massive jump on us plus potentially we may have had titles and trophies removed. In a nutshell will be playing massive catchup.

Someone take his belt and shoes laces off him.

 

[KS55]

Massive clubs will always be playing massive catchup.

That's enough 'Massives'. Ed.

 

[Mayor West]

Are we winning yet?

 

[Coatigan]

I think so many people clingong onto the word 'worriesome' in CAS's previous rulong is somewhat grasping. It describes the allegations.
Of course the allegations are worrisome. But doesn't really mean they have merit (obviously i think they do, that isnt the point). I think more is made out of that than really benefits us, sadly.

 

[gingerprince]

Its the hope that....

 

[City Raider]

So basically after 3 days our case will have been made and the CAS panel know they can only find for City on the basis of what what was presented. Then they have until August to ignore all that and come up with a justifiable reason to find for UEFA. Can’t think of any other reason we have to wait so long.

 

[meltonblue]

You make a very good point. As fans, we have to trust the club when they say they’re innocent but if it ever turned out that they were lying on that then they will have abused our trust. It’s one thing lying to the likes of UEFA. That’s bad but on the flip side UEFA changed the goalposts right near the end of the first monitoring period which screwed any chance we may have had of passing FFP so they would be just as bad in my eyes. However, lying to your own fans on this is another level altogether. Many of us have been fighting on behalf of the club in terms of getting information out there that so many dickhead journalists choose to ignore because our club have said they’ve done nothing wrong. If our loyalty turns out to be misplaced then never mind high stakes with regards to losing players and losing credibility. That is temporary and can be fixed over time. Losing the fans on the other hand.....

Edit: I would add that if we were to lose at CAS, IMO that doesn’t necessarily mean we definitely are guilty and have definitely been lied to. For that to be the case, UEFA would have to come up with incriminating evidence in the form of a bank statement or paper trail proving beyond all doubt that our owner part-funded the Etihad deal. I suspect I’ll be waiting a very long time for them to come up with that though!

You’d hope that CAS will be assessing the validity of the evidence as well though. If they were to find us guilty, that would suggest that the irrefutable evidence we have is...refutable!

 

[KS55]

UEFA Vs City

Leterme looking particularly attractive there.

 

[chesterbells]

I've already answered this

As I have no knowledge of CAS totally overturning a governing bodies ruling and harshly criticising that governing body, I voted "other" as I expect CAS to kick it back to UEFA

62 then.

 

[BillyShears]

My issue in terms of knowing what's going on is that, while UEFA have accused us of serious breaches that entail our overstating sponsorship income, we know literally nothing about how we're alleged to have done so and how that squares with other information in the public domain. I didn't vote in the poll that appeared on this thread, since, without an assessment of that information, any vote in the poll is worthless.

Meanwhile, the campaign continues to build a narrative discrediting any possible City victory at CAS. This tweet, from our old friend Tariq Panja, suggests that, if City win, it will be through our wealth forcing UEFA to cave. I wouldn't call this even disingenuous - it's an outright lie that City prevailing would be because UEFA "let it happen". If City win, it will be because a neutral tribunal composed of respected arbitrators found our case more persuasive than UEFA's. If they uphold UEFA's position in full or in part, then they weren't persuaded by our position. Simple as that.

Possibly the most risible thing about coverage like this is that it comes at time when the United States is on its arse because of a culture of unaccountable lying from people in positions of power.

It staggers me that Panja is such a **** that even though it has been pointed out time and time again to him the difference between the two cases he hasn't bothered to correct himself. He is of course happy to reply to his arse licking colleagues who are rimming him for his hot take.

Shows once again that the New York Times football writing is being driven by a xenophobic agenda against Arab ownership.

 

[chesterbells]

Possibly the most risible thing about coverage like this is that it comes at time when the United States is on its arse because of a culture of unaccountable lying from people in positions of power.

It staggers me that Panja is such a **** that even though it has been pointed out time and time again to him the difference between the two cases he hasn't bothered to correct himself. He is of course happy to reply to his arse licking colleagues who are rimming him for his hot take.

Shows once again that the New York Times football writing is being driven by a xenophobic agenda against Arab ownership.

And we’ll no doubt get Rory on the Monday night club radio show doing his “expert” analysis this evening ...

 

[birchwoodgingerste]

A spokesaman for cas has said" an outcome could be announced in july"

 

[Coatigan]

If your first 2 lines are true, the rest can't be. Only if the club are wrong or CAS aren't impartial can the rest be possible.

Not necessarily

 

[Gordyola]

I woke up this morning aware that City were to face another day in the lunatic world of football. While a team from Salford borrowed another £140 million to increase it's debt by 42% to a cool half a billion so that the Glazers can still take their divi, while Chelsea pile on the debt because their owner can't prove he came by his wealth honestly, while Spurs borrow wildly to increase their already massive debt to pay for a stadium they can't afford and can't even use and Liverpool rake in the sponsorship from their ever so honourable money launderers City have to go to court to prove that seven (or more?) years ago the club only stayed out of debt and paid its way because the owner pretended to be someone else and paid money into the club. He says he didn't and has irrefutable proof but the crime is so serious we have to ignore his evidence. The rules say so. And he shouldn't even be allowed to appeal. Eight clubs of the PL say so. It's only fair play. Otherwise how are all he clubs named above going to compete with City. It's only financial prudence you know. Football has to be protected from reckless spending by owners. Come on UEFA!

Nice, summed up the lunacy / corruption
Also the rags are taking advantage of the government allowing business to defer £10m VAT payments due to CV19, to help cash flow, but are still paying their shareholders a dividend of £11m Scandalous

 

[JULES]

Yep, a fantastic post. Maybe City should take a leaf out of the book of all these other clubs and borrow a chunk of money, paying it back on the drip. I’m sure our credit rating is miles better which means we should be able to borrow a shit load more than all the other clubs put together. We’d blow the fucking lot of them out of the water for the best players.

good idea, cant see it happening though

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I suspect UEFA gave us a 2 year ban thinking we would accept a reduced 1 year ban and a fine instead of going to CAS.

People keep saying this but I very much doubt it's true. The little I've heard suggests that a faction within UEFA insisted on a 2-year ban, with no ifs, buts or maybes. It wasn't a case of hitting us with 2 years so we'd accept 1 year. And why would we accept a 1-year ban when we wouldn't even accept just a fine?

I've said all along it's all or nothing, which taking my powers of prediction into account, probably means we'll end up with a one-year ban.

 

[Big Dave Watson]

Someone take his belt and shoes laces off him.

Brilliant.

 

[manimanc]

Its the hope that....

.....gingers get equal rights.

 

[JASR]

What's the bet, if we start getting too much of an upper hand, then the video conferencing starts playing up or goes down altogether ;-)

I’m sure they’ll be a remote mute option available for Mr Gill to intercede and inject a different soundtrack.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

Because I believe UEFA will either have fabricated some evidence or they will win, however wrongly, on procedure.

UEFA in fabricated City accounts shocker.