UEFA Independent Inquiry

J.G.Blue. said:
I have never been but thousands if not millions of people seem to have managed ok so far?
I might be wrong but I guess the police dont go round pepper spraying & tear gassing people for fun do they?
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Have they though? Or has there problems not been publicised as much? As for the French police I have seen loads of comments from French people saying that is what they love doing best and they do it often to their own citizens on a regular basis
 
Veteran Blue said:
Sometimes you’ve got to put tribal loyalty to one side and realize you’re on the wrong side of the argument.
The French government and Riot Police and UEFA are not our friends. They would crack city skulls and spray us also. The St Denis street gangs would rob our females at knife point.
This post here….you’re saying Liverpool gangs were robbing and assaulting Madrid fans after the game. That’s just hysterical bullshit based on what you wish had happened. There’s absolutely zero reports of this happening.
There’s plenty to challenge Liverpool over. This event isn’t one of them.
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Agreed. No doubt there were plenty of scousers with fakes but the overwhelming evidence shows the French police thugs doing what they always do and the street gangs filling their boots. It could have been our fans.
 
J.G.Blue. said:
I have never been but thousands if not millions of people seem to have managed ok so far?
I might be wrong but I guess the police dont go round pepper spraying & tear gassing people for fun do they?
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Been a few times, never had a problem.
I know these are different times but you can't really blame mainland Europeans for being wary or disliking English football fans, they ran amok for decades across Europe & rightly or wrongly , that stigma still follows them
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Agreed. No doubt there were plenty of scousers with fakes but the overwhelming evidence shows the French police thugs doing what they always do and the street gangs filling their boots. It could have been our fans.
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The street gangs, and the fake tickets and ticketless, are two separate issues.

The stadium closed the gates and the kick off was delegated because fans were trying to gain to the stadium with fake tickets or without tickets. Like Liverpool fans always do (video evidence going back through big games of theirs for decades). Liverpool fans with genuine tickets were locked outside begsuse of fans with fake tickets or no tickets getting in.

The decision to close these gates and keep fans out was because they wanted to keep the fans who had already got in safe and avoid crushes. Liverpool’s bottom tier was fucking rammed, fans spilling into the aisles. It looked like one big block.

This has absolutely nowt to do with the Police’s tear gassing or the local gangs attacking fans outside the ground.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
The street gangs, and the fake tickets and ticketless, are two separate issues.

The stadium closed the gates and the kick off was delegated because fans were trying to gain to the stadium with fake tickets or without tickets. Like Liverpool fans always do (video evidence going back through big games of theirs for decades). Liverpool fans with genuine tickets were locked outside begsuse of fans with fake tickets or no tickets getting in.

The decision to close these gates and keep fans out was because they wanted to keep the fans who had already got in safe and avoid crushes. Liverpool’s bottom tier was fucking rammed, fans spilling into the aisles. It looked like one big block.

This has absolutely nowt to do with the Police’s tear gassing or the local gangs attacking fans outside the ground.
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I agree. LFC shouldn’t get a free pass but this farce looks like a real shitshow from UEFA right from the start with the absurd ticket allocations. French football itself is very poorly policed. Paris is a crumbling city with chaos everywhere. There were many factors.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
The street gangs, and the fake tickets and ticketless, are two separate issues.

The stadium closed the gates and the kick off was delegated because fans were trying to gain to the stadium with fake tickets or without tickets. Like Liverpool fans always do (video evidence going back through big games of theirs for decades). Liverpool fans with genuine tickets were locked outside begsuse of fans with fake tickets or no tickets getting in.

The decision to close these gates and keep fans out was because they wanted to keep the fans who had already got in safe and avoid crushes. Liverpool’s bottom tier was fucking rammed, fans spilling into the aisles. It looked like one big block.

This has absolutely nowt to do with the Police’s tear gassing or the local gangs attacking fans outside the ground.
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There’s plenty of pictures of Liverpools end looking rammed. See one yesterday of a Liverpool fan showing off that he’d got in using a fake press pass, the steps to the side of him are rammed!
 
lust overlord said:
The hypocrisy from a section of their support gets on my tits as well,and as I said in the original post, forgeries and jibbing is something that club should be dealing with.

There were clearly issues with policing and general organisational issues as well though.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
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I agree with what you're saying but I still feel the need to point out that the Police overreaction would probably not have been so acute if there were not so many forgeries or Liverpool fans jumping the fences. Therefore I hold my view that the Liverpool fans were ultimately responsible for creating the problem that occurred.

I agree two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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