The Shrike said:BoyBlue_1985 said:Thats the problem with you Arsenal fans, your current squad has won you fuck all for over 5 years and you still have the arrogance to come on here and tell us we doing it wrong talking to us all like your lot won the treble last year. What will we be like when we win something by the sounds of someone like yourself probably at lot less arrogant. 5 fucking years and you still bang on like you own the Premiership
Not really. Its your own chippiness that interprets what others say in this way. Most of what I have seen here is ultra defensiveness and the result of years of being overshadowed by Manure.
Most Gooners that I know are far from arrogant - getting stuffed each and every year for the past 5 seasons by stronger teams than you will tend to have that effect. We know our team cost less than the rest of the top 6 in transfer fees - and we know its not the finished article.
We are also well aware we've won nothing for a while - couldn't really not be when after Wenger's whinging its the thing that's talked about most. We accept that you and Citeh have raised the bar money wise, and that we are a team in progress - largely caused by re-building our stadium.
So why not simmer down, and get back on track with the thread.
From the Independent 8/10
Manchester City face a much tougher fight than they expected if they are to avoid a ban from European football from 2013 onwards because of a £250m burden that must remain on their books for the next five years.
Uefa has told The Independent that this nine-figure sum, accrued from recent transfers, cannot be written off as a loss on next year's accounts alone, but must be spread over the length of the relevant players' contracts. As a result, the club must rethink its strategy as it hopes to meet the terms of Uefa's Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations, which demand that, from 2013, clubs must lose no more than £13m per year or risk being shut out of all European competitions.
Uefa's calculations are made as an average over a rolling three-year period and, though this would allow some flexibility, City's recent spree means they will be starting each year until 2015 some £50m in the red, before they spend another penny. The club acknowledges privately that "a huge challenge" lies ahead to meet Uefa's break-even targets.
Chippy_boy said:All this talk of plastics kind of misses the point. Football is a game. Watching football is a hobby - a passionate hobby to some, a casual one to others.
Why anyone should think that attracting more people to games when we have better facilities, play more attractive football and have a chance of winning something is in someway "bad", is beyond me.
What do you want, city support to be limited to a bunch of die hard fans standing in the rain in a shit hole of a stadium watching crap football?
Who the fook cares if we were to fill a 70,000 seater every week with a mix of fans - tourists, families, corporates and hard core fans. Is this so bad? I'd far rather it be like that than the old days in the 60's and 70's where football was a no-go area for kids and families and you had a pretty decent chance of a punch up after every match.
Chippy_boy said:All this talk of plastics kind of misses the point. Football is a game. Watching football is a hobby - a passionate hobby to some, a casual one to others.
Why anyone should think that attracting more people to games when we have better facilities, play more attractive football and have a chance of winning something is in someway "bad", is beyond me.
What do you want, city support to be limited to a bunch of die hard fans standing in the rain in a shit hole of a stadium watching crap football?
Who the fook cares if we were to fill a 70,000 seater every week with a mix of fans - tourists, families, corporates and hard core fans. Is this so bad? I'd far rather it be like that than the old days in the 60's and 70's where football was a no-go area for kids and families and you had a pretty decent chance of a punch up before/during/after every match.
The Shrike said:BoyBlue_1985 said:Thats the problem with you Arsenal fans, your current squad has won you fuck all for over 5 years and you still have the arrogance to come on here and tell us we doing it wrong talking to us all like your lot won the treble last year. What will we be like when we win something by the sounds of someone like yourself probably at lot less arrogant. 5 fucking years and you still bang on like you own the Premiership
Not really. Its your own chippiness that interprets what others say in this way. Most of what I have seen here is ultra defensiveness and the result of years of being overshadowed by Manure.
Most Gooners that I know are far from arrogant - getting stuffed each and every year for the past 5 seasons by stronger teams than you will tend to have that effect. We know our team cost less than the rest of the top 6 in transfer fees - and we know its not the finished article.
We are also well aware we've won nothing for a while - couldn't really not be when after Wenger's whinging its the thing that's talked about most. We accept that you and Citeh have raised the bar money wise, and that we are a team in progress - largely caused by re-building our stadium.
So why not simmer down, and get back on track with the thread.
From the Independent 8/10
Manchester City face a much tougher fight than they expected if they are to avoid a ban from European football from 2013 onwards because of a £250m burden that must remain on their books for the next five years.
Uefa has told The Independent that this nine-figure sum, accrued from recent transfers, cannot be written off as a loss on next year's accounts alone, but must be spread over the length of the relevant players' contracts. As a result, the club must rethink its strategy as it hopes to meet the terms of Uefa's Financial Fair Play (FFP) regulations, which demand that, from 2013, clubs must lose no more than £13m per year or risk being shut out of all European competitions.
Uefa's calculations are made as an average over a rolling three-year period and, though this would allow some flexibility, City's recent spree means they will be starting each year until 2015 some £50m in the red, before they spend another penny. The club acknowledges privately that "a huge challenge" lies ahead to meet Uefa's break-even targets.
ssg2 said:Chippy_boy said:All this talk of plastics kind of misses the point. Football is a game. Watching football is a hobby - a passionate hobby to some, a casual one to others.
Why anyone should think that attracting more people to games when we have better facilities, play more attractive football and have a chance of winning something is in someway "bad", is beyond me.
What do you want, city support to be limited to a bunch of die hard fans standing in the rain in a shit hole of a stadium watching crap football?
Who the fook cares if we were to fill a 70,000 seater every week with a mix of fans - tourists, families, corporates and hard core fans. Is this so bad? I'd far rather it be like that than the old days in the 60's and 70's where football was a no-go area for kids and families and you had a pretty decent chance of a punch up before/during/after every match.
Different fans want different things though. Its great I can take my lad to an all seater stadium and not worry about fighting etc but at the same time he doesn't get the buzz i got walkiing up the steps to electric atmospheres and standing (which was great when I was a kid).
would you like to enlighten us when you started going up the arsenal then late 90s or earlier perhaps and why arsenal not millwall charlton qpr or the orientThe Shrike said:Chippy_boy said:All this talk of plastics kind of misses the point. Football is a game. Watching football is a hobby - a passionate hobby to some, a casual one to others.
Why anyone should think that attracting more people to games when we have better facilities, play more attractive football and have a chance of winning something is in someway "bad", is beyond me.
What do you want, city support to be limited to a bunch of die hard fans standing in the rain in a shit hole of a stadium watching crap football?
Who the fook cares if we were to fill a 70,000 seater every week with a mix of fans - tourists, families, corporates and hard core fans. Is this so bad? I'd far rather it be like that than the old days in the 60's and 70's where football was a no-go area for kids and families and you had a pretty decent chance of a punch up after every match.
Plastics in my book referes to fans who start supporting a club just because its on the up but go elsewhere as soon as something better comes along. Just bad form, I guess.
Chippy_boy said:ssg2 said:Different fans want different things though. Its great I can take my lad to an all seater stadium and not worry about fighting etc but at the same time he doesn't get the buzz i got walkiing up the steps to electric atmospheres and standing (which was great when I was a kid).
I agree with that, but on the other hand the more family orientated, less threatening environment is good too. I took my best mate - who was a gooner (he died last year, sadly) - to the Arsenal game last season and we were chatting with the guys next to us and my mate said he was a gooner (which I thought was brave) and he got no aggro at all. Unthinkable when I was a lad - he would probably have had his head kicked in.
ssg2 said:Chippy_boy said:I agree with that, but on the other hand the more family orientated, less threatening environment is good too. I took my best mate - who was a gooner (he died last year, sadly) - to the Arsenal game last season and we were chatting with the guys next to us and my mate said he was a gooner (which I thought was brave) and he got no aggro at all. Unthinkable when I was a lad - he would probably have had his head kicked in.
Totally agree that football is now more family friendly the only negative with that is the cost to take a family.
The Shrike said:KenTheLandlord said:Defensive? - check
Insular? - check
Chippy? - check
Hostile? - check
Exciteable? - check
Deranged - check
Oh, and thanks for admitting that you are becoming patronising :good:
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Erm, i didn't i said you and other fans were, good to see reading and comprehension are still out of the grasp of your average Gooner.
Yes, yes you did.
in the context of which
good to see reading and comprehension are still out of the grasp of your average Gooner
is a bit embarassing, non?
..and as for being rattled - why would we be? We have always had clubs far more wealthy than ours to compete with, and have done. Talk about all this going to your heads before you have won anything at all. What you all going to be like if you actually win somethign?? doesn't bear thinking about.