UK far right trouble

[bluemoon32]

M16 with live amo, clear the streets or face the consequences, the way this is heading the army will have to be brought out.

But what side will they go on ?

 

[Keeper!]

But what side will they go on ?

I hope that's a joke

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

I am not arguing for less immigration, I am arguing for better management of it, as I clearly stated. Why does everybody lose all sense on this subject? Show me your proposals for better management.

I don’t really think anybody is disagreeing that immigration needs managing. And to say we all want better management is a bit of a truism, why wouldn’t we? I don’t see many people advocating open borders. I’ve made this point multiple times on here but this whole discussion is quite arbitrary and that’s why it’s so frustrating.

Pretty much nobody wants to be North Korea with totally closed borders.
Pretty much nobody wants to have totally open borders. Everybody wants the asylum process to be better, because currently it doesn’t benefit anybody.

We all want various shades of managed immigration. So what’s the right number? 10,000? 100,000? And who should they be? Nurses? Cleaners? Rocket Scientists? Refugees? Students? And in what proportions? Okay so let’s say we agree net migration ‘feels’ too high. Great, well it’s coming down significantly this year according to projections. So what will we be happy with? 300,000? 200,000? What’s the target here?

Unless people have a clear answer to all of these things then I’m not really sure what they want. They’re just shouting useless platitudes at each other with zero pragmatism.

My biggest problem is that this policy conversation isn’t the conversation people are actually having. It might be the conversation you want to have @KS55, because you understand there’s nuance here. But the vast majority of people currently in the “concerned about immigration” conversation don’t seem to ever state what they actually want so that we can discuss the pros and cons of what they’re suggesting. It’s not based on policy or evidence for them, it’s based on a generic and vague feeling. And we can’t incorporate vague feelings into a manifesto.

For us to start having a serious value-add discussion on this, somebody needs to propose a cogent alternative to what we’re doing now. I think that is an adult conversation we all want, but we can’t have that conversation when so many on the anti-immigration side (like Farage) act entirely in bad faith and aren’t capable of maintaining the discussion at that level.

 

[splinter]

The police look very weak outnumbered and underfunded

 

[bluemoon32]

I hope that's a joke

It is but i spent a lot of time in my teens in Army towns and came across loads of racist behaviour from soldiers

 

[abu13]

The ironic thing is that the country would be in a better state if we let the immigrants stay and fuck some of these racist fuckers off in their place.

 

[City Hobgoblin]

Simple fact is this is all down to the Tory policies of the last 14 years. Make the poor poorer, the rich richer, and then blame it on immigration to deflect the anger from them.

It is down to politics. And not those of the brand new government who've been handed this shit.

It's also down to Brexit. These are the leave voters who thought, and to some extent were kidded into thinking, that Brexit would stop all immigration and lead to migrants being "sent back".

 

[Elbow beards]

Need to bring in Martial law and shoot the cunts.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

It's as important to me as stopping all illegal activity.

Society needs and has rules and laws that need to be obeyed and the vast majority of us do that and support them.

I've done nothing but be equally disgusted as anyone at the idiots on the streets over the last few days and I have been very vocal is saying what should be done with them.

Of course though, the very second you veer from the party line on this forum it triggers the usual few posters who sense it as an opportunity to go on the attack and even go as far as accusing me of being represented by the racist idiots on show.

On that note, I'm out, you and the rest can carry on and say what you feel you need to say.

I'm confused.

I merely asked a question.

I just am curious about the facts.

I didn't accuse you of anything.

Sorry to see you go, I guess.

Maybe someone else can help me.

 

[Keeper!]

It is but i spent a lot of time in my teens in Army towns and came across loads of racist behaviour from soldiers

Maybe but a soldier does as he is told.